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Posted: 28 Apr 2018 at 9:59am |
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it’s unfortunate the amount of people who quote Dunphy after an Ireland match the next day . Despite his nonsense it sticks in some people’s brains . It’s spouted out by many a taxi men and plumber ..usually starting with derogatory comments on Glen Whelan and the like ...
I like Aidan , at least he has a buzz about him and may do something on the ball .. |
may being the problem. I like McGeady but he really has done very little for us over the course of 10 years. A few assists pathetic goal return. Its time to move on.
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A few assists? Try the most assists of any Irish international, a record he's held for quite some time. |
Where is this tracked and how many are we talking?
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Posted: 28 Apr 2018 at 11:16am |
Pipkin wrote:
The O'Shea wrote:
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it’s unfortunate the amount of people who quote Dunphy after an Ireland match the next day . Despite his nonsense it sticks in some people’s brains . It’s spouted out by many a taxi men and plumber ..usually starting with derogatory comments on Glen Whelan and the like ...
I like Aidan , at least he has a buzz about him and may do something on the ball .. |
may being the problem. I like McGeady but he really has done very little for us over the course of 10 years. A few assists pathetic goal return. Its time to move on.
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A few assists? Try the most assists of any Irish international, a record he's held for quite some time. |
Where is this tracked and how many are we talking? |
16/17 I believe. For comparison, Duff had 5....
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Posted: 28 Apr 2018 at 11:20am |
5 goals and 12 assists.
Duff has 8 goals and 5 assists.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2018 at 11:26am |
Duff was the most vastly overrated player to play for Ireland.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2018 at 12:17pm |
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5 goals and 12 assists.
Duff has 8 goals and 5 assists. |
I’ve a feeling most of McGeady’s assists came from either corners or crosses into the box from set pieces. I’d be interested to know how many are assists from in play i.e non dead ball assists.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2018 at 12:24pm |
That I don't know, but I'd say that they were not from set pieces.
Out of the 12 assists 11 were in qualifiers.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2018 at 12:50pm |
Duff's record, especially assists, is awful when you look at it. Shows how over the top some of the criticism is that McGeady gets. Especially when you consider that Duffer has 2 EPL medals and starred in the CL against the likes of Barcelona. McGeady had nowhere near that sort of club career (I'm aware McGeady won 4 league titles in his career but winning 2 with Chelsea is a more difficult feat) yet he's criticised because he's not the 2nd coming of Messi.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2018 at 12:54pm |
Listening to some on here you'd think he was the 2nd coming of Messi. Easily one of the most frustrating players in the Green Shirt in the last 10/12 years
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Posted: 28 Apr 2018 at 12:56pm |
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It has been disappointing because our expectations of him have been so high. We all thought we had a genuine superstar on our hands because he was a world class talent, but that shouldn't cloud the fact that he has been a fine player for us and, to use am overused and often annoying cliché, a fine servant. |
True. Expectation clouds everything. If Callum O'Dowda went on to have the Ireland career that McGeady had then we would all be talking differently |
McGeady has got 29 of his 92 caps (nearly a third of them, although I'd say around half of those 29 were as a sub) since 2014. In that time, he scored 2 goals V Georgia and won a game for us almost singlehandedly, and all credit to him for doing so. He has done absolutely fcuk all for us since then.
The whole point re O'Dowda is that if O'Dowda is as ineffective for us in the next 4 years as McGeady has been in the last 4 years, he won't ever get to 29 appearances, never mind 92. Arguably a more valid comparison is McClean, a player with half of McGeady's natural talent or skill (and I'm being generous to McClean there) who has got 10 goals in 57 caps, he is definitely a player who has got the most out of his relatively limited talent, I don't think McGeady can say the same.
I'm not arguing with anything McGeady achieved up to 2014 for us, he was one of our most important players and sources of creativity and the stats invariably proved that. At this point it should be stated that I couldn't give less of a fcuk what he did for Sunderland, Preston or Sheffield Wed during those years, as whether his club form was good, bad or indifferent in the past 4 years, his form with us has been consistent - very poor at worst, average at best.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2018 at 1:05pm |
deise316 wrote:
Roberto Baggio wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
It has been disappointing because our expectations of him have been so high. We all thought we had a genuine superstar on our hands because he was a world class talent, but that shouldn't cloud the fact that he has been a fine player for us and, to use am overused and often annoying cliché, a fine servant. |
True. Expectation clouds everything. If Callum O'Dowda went on to have the Ireland career that McGeady had then we would all be talking differently |
McGeady has got 29 of his 92 caps (nearly a third of them, although I'd say around half of those 29 were as a sub) since 2014. In that time, he scored 2 goals V Georgia and won a game for us almost singlehandedly, and all credit to him for doing so. He has done absolutely fcuk all for us since then.
The whole point re O'Dowda is that if O'Dowda is as ineffective for us in the next 4 years as McGeady has been in the last 4 years, he won't ever get to 29 appearances, never mind 92. Arguably a more valid comparison is McClean, a player with half of McGeady's natural talent or skill (and I'm being generous to McClean there) who has got 10 goals in 57 caps, he is definitely a player who has got the most out of his relatively limited talent, I don't think McGeady can say the same.
I'm not arguing with anything McGeady achieved up to 2014 for us, he was one of our most important players and sources of creativity and the stats invariably proved that. At this point it should be stated that I couldn't give less of a fcuk what he did for Sunderland, Preston or Sheffield Wed during those years, as whether his club form was good, bad or indifferent in the past 4 years, his form with us has been consistent - very poor at worst, average at best.
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How many of those appearances were starts. By and large under O'Neill, he's been a cameo player. I've gone through it before, but in those cameos he's frequently created great chances that have been wasted. If O'Dowda manages anything like the contribution McGeady did when McGeady was a regular starter, he'll be a very useful player for us.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2018 at 1:15pm |
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Where is this tracked and how many are we talking? |
Was wondering the same and found this ;
It only goes back to 2008, but given there were very few of our current players knocking about back then (Whelan, Walters & Long probably the only other ones bar McGeady) - I think it is valid for comparison purposes.
In that time, McGeady is indeed our top man for assists, with 9. (I'm not doubting Horsebox when he says he has 12 in his career, the others must have been pre-2008). The important thing to note though, is that he hasn't had any since 2013. In the same timeframe;
Stephen Hunt has 6 Wes has 6 Coleman has 6- a full back who doesn't take set pieces Duff has 5 Kevin Doyle has 4 Glenn Whelan has 4 (Glenn Whelan !! ) Robbie Brady (who takes poor set pieces) has 4 Keith Andrews has 3 Liam Lawrence (our last player who was actually any good at set pieces) has 3 Paul McShane (Paul McShane !!) has 3
So really, seeing as McGeady has none since 2013, Whelan is likely on his last legs for us and was never exactly a huge attacking influence anyway, McShane is unlikely to play for us again, and the rest are retired, really only Coleman & Brady are relevant on that list. It also kind of shows what a huge loss Coleman was in the last campaign, as he has proved to be not only our best defender, but one of our best attackers & sources of goals as well.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2018 at 2:13pm |
pre Madonna wrote:
Duff was the most vastly overrated player to play for Ireland. |
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Posted: 28 Apr 2018 at 2:19pm |
deise316 wrote:
Pipkin wrote:
Where is this tracked and how many are we talking? |
Was wondering the same and found this ;
It only goes back to 2008, but given there were very few of our current players knocking about back then (Whelan, Walters & Long probably the only other ones bar McGeady) - I think it is valid for comparison purposes.
In that time, McGeady is indeed our top man for assists, with 9. (I'm not doubting Horsebox when he says he has 12 in his career, the others must have been pre-2008). The important thing to note though, is that he hasn't had any since 2013. In the same timeframe;
Stephen Hunt has 6 Wes has 6 Coleman has 6- a full back who doesn't take set pieces Duff has 5 Kevin Doyle has 4 Glenn Whelan has 4 (Glenn Whelan !! ) Robbie Brady (who takes poor set pieces) has 4 Keith Andrews has 3 Liam Lawrence (our last player who was actually any good at set pieces) has 3 Paul McShane (Paul McShane !!) has 3
So really, seeing as McGeady has none since 2013, Whelan is likely on his last legs for us and was never exactly a huge attacking influence anyway, McShane is unlikely to play for us again, and the rest are retired, really only Coleman & Brady are relevant on that list. It also kind of shows what a huge loss Coleman was in the last campaign, as he has proved to be not only our best defender, but one of our best attackers & sources of goals as well.
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So basically what you've illustrated is that the next "leading assister" that we've have in the last 10/15 years only has half as many assists as McGeady. Well done, you've really buttressed your argument tremendously there
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Posted: 28 Apr 2018 at 2:53pm |
BrendanD88 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
Duff was the most vastly overrated player to play for Ireland. |
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I don’t agree, but this is a conversation worthy of its own thread.m. Goals and assists don’t tell the full story
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Posted: 28 Apr 2018 at 3:39pm |
The O'Shea wrote:
deise316 wrote:
Pipkin wrote:
Where is this tracked and how many are we talking? |
Was wondering the same and found this ;
It only goes back to 2008, but given there were very few of our current players knocking about back then (Whelan, Walters & Long probably the only other ones bar McGeady) - I think it is valid for comparison purposes.
In that time, McGeady is indeed our top man for assists, with 9. (I'm not doubting Horsebox when he says he has 12 in his career, the others must have been pre-2008). The important thing to note though, is that he hasn't had any since 2013. In the same timeframe;
Stephen Hunt has 6 Wes has 6 Coleman has 6- a full back who doesn't take set pieces Duff has 5 Kevin Doyle has 4 Glenn Whelan has 4 (Glenn Whelan !! ) Robbie Brady (who takes poor set pieces) has 4 Keith Andrews has 3 Liam Lawrence (our last player who was actually any good at set pieces) has 3 Paul McShane (Paul McShane !!) has 3
So really, seeing as McGeady has none since 2013, Whelan is likely on his last legs for us and was never exactly a huge attacking influence anyway, McShane is unlikely to play for us again, and the rest are retired, really only Coleman & Brady are relevant on that list. It also kind of shows what a huge loss Coleman was in the last campaign, as he has proved to be not only our best defender, but one of our best attackers & sources of goals as well.
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So basically what you've illustrated is that the next "leading assister" that we've have in the last 10/15 years only has half as many assists as McGeady. Well done, you've really buttressed your argument tremendously there |
Ya because 9 divided by 2 is 6..
Not comparing like for like either. Wes and Hunt has less than half of the appearances than McGeady. I don’t think an assist every 10 games is something to champion
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Posted: 28 Apr 2018 at 5:11pm |
Pipkin wrote:
The O'Shea wrote:
deise316 wrote:
Pipkin wrote:
Where is this tracked and how many are we talking? |
Was wondering the same and found this ;
It only goes back to 2008, but given there were very few of our current players knocking about back then (Whelan, Walters & Long probably the only other ones bar McGeady) - I think it is valid for comparison purposes.
In that time, McGeady is indeed our top man for assists, with 9. (I'm not doubting Horsebox when he says he has 12 in his career, the others must have been pre-2008). The important thing to note though, is that he hasn't had any since 2013. In the same timeframe;
Stephen Hunt has 6 Wes has 6 Coleman has 6- a full back who doesn't take set pieces Duff has 5 Kevin Doyle has 4 Glenn Whelan has 4 (Glenn Whelan !! ) Robbie Brady (who takes poor set pieces) has 4 Keith Andrews has 3 Liam Lawrence (our last player who was actually any good at set pieces) has 3 Paul McShane (Paul McShane !!) has 3
So really, seeing as McGeady has none since 2013, Whelan is likely on his last legs for us and was never exactly a huge attacking influence anyway, McShane is unlikely to play for us again, and the rest are retired, really only Coleman & Brady are relevant on that list. It also kind of shows what a huge loss Coleman was in the last campaign, as he has proved to be not only our best defender, but one of our best attackers & sources of goals as well.
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So basically what you've illustrated is that the next "leading assister" that we've have in the last 10/15 years only has half as many assists as McGeady. Well done, you've really buttressed your argument tremendously there |
Ya because 9 divided by 2 is 6..
Not comparing like for like either. Wes and Hunt has less than half of the appearances than McGeady. I don’t think an assist every 10 games is something to champion
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McGeady has 12, 3 prior to 2008.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2018 at 5:25pm |
The O'Shea wrote:
Pipkin wrote:
The O'Shea wrote:
deise316 wrote:
Pipkin wrote:
Where is this tracked and how many are we talking? |
Was wondering the same and found this ;
It only goes back to 2008, but given there were very few of our current players knocking about back then (Whelan, Walters & Long probably the only other ones bar McGeady) - I think it is valid for comparison purposes.
In that time, McGeady is indeed our top man for assists, with 9. (I'm not doubting Horsebox when he says he has 12 in his career, the others must have been pre-2008). The important thing to note though, is that he hasn't had any since 2013. In the same timeframe;
Stephen Hunt has 6 Wes has 6 Coleman has 6- a full back who doesn't take set pieces Duff has 5 Kevin Doyle has 4 Glenn Whelan has 4 (Glenn Whelan !! ) Robbie Brady (who takes poor set pieces) has 4 Keith Andrews has 3 Liam Lawrence (our last player who was actually any good at set pieces) has 3 Paul McShane (Paul McShane !!) has 3
So really, seeing as McGeady has none since 2013, Whelan is likely on his last legs for us and was never exactly a huge attacking influence anyway, McShane is unlikely to play for us again, and the rest are retired, really only Coleman & Brady are relevant on that list. It also kind of shows what a huge loss Coleman was in the last campaign, as he has proved to be not only our best defender, but one of our best attackers & sources of goals as well.
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So basically what you've illustrated is that the next "leading assister" that we've have in the last 10/15 years only has half as many assists as McGeady. Well done, you've really buttressed your argument tremendously there |
Ya because 9 divided by 2 is 6..
Not comparing like for like either. Wes and Hunt has less than half of the appearances than McGeady. I don’t think an assist every 10 games is something to champion
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McGeady has 12, 3 prior to 2008. |
Could we possibly get an official clarification over these three assists prior to 2008? Thread should be locked until such time.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2018 at 6:17pm |
The O'Shea wrote:
Pipkin wrote:
The O'Shea wrote:
deise316 wrote:
Pipkin wrote:
Where is this tracked and how many are we talking? |
Was wondering the same and found this ;
It only goes back to 2008, but given there were very few of our current players knocking about back then (Whelan, Walters & Long probably the only other ones bar McGeady) - I think it is valid for comparison purposes.
In that time, McGeady is indeed our top man for assists, with 9. (I'm not doubting Horsebox when he says he has 12 in his career, the others must have been pre-2008). The important thing to note though, is that he hasn't had any since 2013. In the same timeframe;
Stephen Hunt has 6 Wes has 6 Coleman has 6- a full back who doesn't take set pieces Duff has 5 Kevin Doyle has 4 Glenn Whelan has 4 (Glenn Whelan !! ) Robbie Brady (who takes poor set pieces) has 4 Keith Andrews has 3 Liam Lawrence (our last player who was actually any good at set pieces) has 3 Paul McShane (Paul McShane !!) has 3
So really, seeing as McGeady has none since 2013, Whelan is likely on his last legs for us and was never exactly a huge attacking influence anyway, McShane is unlikely to play for us again, and the rest are retired, really only Coleman & Brady are relevant on that list. It also kind of shows what a huge loss Coleman was in the last campaign, as he has proved to be not only our best defender, but one of our best attackers & sources of goals as well.
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So basically what you've illustrated is that the next "leading assister" that we've have in the last 10/15 years only has half as many assists as McGeady. Well done, you've really buttressed your argument tremendously there |
Ya because 9 divided by 2 is 6..
Not comparing like for like either. Wes and Hunt has less than half of the appearances than McGeady. I don’t think an assist every 10 games is something to champion
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McGeady has 12, 3 prior to 2008. |
Against who?
Seems quite a salient point regardless. Going by Deise's link there was only one year, 2012, where he had more assists than any other player. Hardly illustrious and deserving of the Messiah-like assister of his age.
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