An apology for Heysel ?

You missed my point, it was'nt about liverpool fans. It was about victims. Who they supported is not an issue. It was a tragedy for the whole of the area regardless of what team they supported.


Planning I have made an event reminder and I will be posting. In wikipedia it says May 29th in the article Citizen posted it says may 30th.


Edited by Andkend - 08 Apr 2014 at 4:20pm

bundy wrote: What happened at Heysel was caused by Liverpool supporters end of story, it can be dressed up anyway you want but those are the facts.

Gary McKay wrote: bundy wrote: What happened at Heysel was caused by Liverpool supporters end of story, it can be dressed up anyway you want but those are the facts. They are not the facts.   The facts are that there were a considerable number of fans there from firms attached to Chelsea, Millwall, West Ham and others. It was a National Crew and yes of course it included Liverpool hooligans too. They were not there to watch the match, they were there to cause trouble and I bet you a thousand euro that not one of them had a match ticket. If it was Aston Villa or Nottingham Forest playing Juventus that night the same thing would have happened.   You obviously know nothing about hooliganism. You talk about seeing red jerseys and scarves - casuals dont wear colours.

planning wrote: You have spent your time on this thread excusing liverpools role in it by first focusing on UEFA and then that the Juventus's fans were just as at fault.  I know the Juventus fans were throwing missiles into the Liverpool section but the action which caused the deaths was committed by Liverpool fans. I didn't excuse Liverpool fans role in it. I explicitly said who was responsible for each turn of events. Sorry that it doesn't suit the conventional "Blame Liverpool" mantra.  Andkend wrote: I am really considering if I will ever read or post on this site again. The bitterness is something else..... .....May 29th and I will be making a big deal about this event in the history of Liverpool history club. Oh you are reading and posting again, as you will in the future.  You won't post about this on May 29th though, as everyone quietly forgets about it every year after the Hillsborough Anniversary passes.  The timing of this thread is interesting, it was't brought up last year, why because Liverpool were midtable.  It's brought up in April every year, usually by fans of Liverpool's rivals. On the day of the 20th Hillsborough Anniversary, someone wrote out the names of all victims of Heysel, trying to make 2 wrongs to be a right. They whinge that Liverpool don't accept responsibility, when in reality it's just a way to remind Liverpool of what happened.  I support a number of clubs throughout Europe, with less than squeaky clean fan records down the years. If you took all the mudslinging and propaganda thrown to heart, you'd never watch a game again. But once the next game is underway, you're ready to watch and go again.

Funny that Planning because nobody else, not Liverpool fans agree with you. Everybody must be out of step except you. Your posts about UEFA and the Juve fans being just as responsible is an attempt to nullify Liverpool's culpability because you allow your own club loyalties to cloud your judgement that Liverpool fans were responsible for the deaths more than the Juventus fans were.Again if it was Liverpool fans that died you would certainly not be puuting the blame equally among both sets of fans. It has nothing to do with a 'blame Liverpool mantra'

Hang on a second, you want an apology from Liverpool football club to the victims of the Heysel disaster.


legally I don't think that could happen as it would be admiting liability and could result in the victims of Heysel having some claim of responsibility over thr club.

Liverpool football club did not apologise to the victims of Hillsborough either.

I imagine the protocol legally on this issue is fairly stringent and would extent to sympathy and commemoration for the victims rather than apology.

In the case of the Hillsborough 96 & the apology made by the Pm and the Government, I imagine they struck some deal with the victims relatives and the relatives wanted a public apology. I am not sure of the facts on this one.

Personally the convictions were made the time was served. Juventus and Liverpool have faced each other since in the champions league and in Turin Liverpool fans were beaten by Juventus Ultras. Two wrongs make a right, eye for an eye approach to tragedy.

Do many people on here think that we the Irish people should feel apologetic for all the bombs the IRA killed people with in England. I don't think so.

Edited by Andkend - 08 Apr 2014 at 6:08pm

deiseblue wrote: Prior to 1985 Heysel hosted 3 European Cup finals & 3 Cup Winner's Cup Finals , I was at the play off game v Belgium in 1997 at the same stadium - albeit re-named after King Bedouin.

And completely rebuilt

deiseblue wrote: Andkend wrote: Hillsborough 96 is exactly what it says on the tin. justice for the 96 Not justice for the liverpool football fans. Justice for the 96 Were there ever any convictions for Hillsborough. Was there heck, I think there was a couple of the commanding officers of the yorkshire police on the queens honours list. Heysel was very different and on the whole the various parties took their collective responsibility for their role in the tragedy. Heysel stadium was never ever used for a football event. The trial after the tragedy saw the head of security on the night convicted of Manslaughter in 1985. most of the people convicted of manslaughter i.e the fans had previous convictions for football violence, so the arguement about the club giving them tickets is'nt valid as anyone with a fooball violence conviction should'nt have tickets. Lets face it these people can get tickets and be where they need to be, even with top security systems. Hillborough might have happened over 30 years ago but rem its only been given justice last year. There are major commemorations held every year and monuments to the tragedy. More palpable nonsense ! Prior to 1985 Heysel hosted 3 European Cup finals & 3 Cup Winner's Cup Finals , I was at the play off game v Belgium in 1997 at the same stadium - albeit re-named after King Bedouin. The facts are - drunken ' Pool supporters decided to " run " Juve fans & as a result 39 innocent people died , no ifs & no buts . This is why so many football fans are hoping that either City or Chelsea win the league as despite their undoubted hooligan element they have never been responsible for deaths on such an unprecedented scale - the reference to those who Liverppol fans who initiated the disaster as " murderers " is correct although they surely were unaware of the ultimate result of their criminal stupidity .

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heysel_Stadium_disaster

hang on here a minute, you were in the new stadium which was built in Heysel, the old stadium where the disaster occured was never used for a football event Fact. Heysel the city did host further football events but not in that stadium.

you know some of the posts here are off the rails.

your irish and many crimes have been commited in your national name by the IRA but i would consider anyone who blamed all Irish for the crimes of some a moron of the highest order.

if you hate liverpool well and good but don't go bullsh*ting and stirring hatred as was said early you can find something in the history of every football club.
CHELSEA fans have their fair share of violence in their past too.

honestly I am starting to lose faith here to be honest.

Sorry i missread. HEYSEL stadium was rebuild almost from scratch but it was on the same site and it was renamed.

The Belgium - Ireland EURO '88 qualifier in September '86 was played at the old Heysel stadium.