An apology for Heysel ?

planning wrote: Planning's unwillingness to acknowledge Liverpool's  part culpability over Juventus in this actually trivializes the tragedy I do acknowledge Liverpool fans part in what happened. What I don't accept is the popular misconception that those on the Liverpool side of the terrace were solely and fully responsible for the events. The wall collapsed at the end of one of the lengthy riots in the ground that evening. More followed as the evening went on, mainly from Juventus fans seeking retaliation. I don't defend anything that went on, but to put the full blame for it squarely at Liverpool's door is wrong. Simple as that.

If it was the Juventus fans that charged resulting in the deaths of the Liverpool fans they as a club would be primarily responsible over Liverpool in that instance. You have spent your time on this thread excusing liverpools role in it by first focusing on UEFA and then that the Juventus's fans were just as at fault.

I know the Juventus fans were throwing missiles into the Liverpool section but the action which caused the deaths was committed by Liverpool fans.Therefore Liverpool the club acknowledged it (eventually).Why would they apologize if the Juventus fans were just as at fault?
UEFA themselves should've acknowledged their own part in it instead of pinning it all on Liverpool.We all know that but you need to accept your club's fans role in it instead of deflecting attention away from that fact by engaging in whataboutery.

Good article. My dad was in the stadium that night - crazy scenes by all accounts. The game was played while the emergency was unfolding behind the goals. Nobody was looking at the game by all accounts. Very strange.

planning wrote: Juventus got their apology for the riots in 2005. Liverpool laid out the red carpet for them for the Anfield leg. It wasn't appreciated and in the second leg in Turin, Juve fans hunted for more trouble, and had their own riot before the game.  Before the 84 Final, Liverpool fans were repeatedly assaulted in Rome and even today, fans of English clubs are often attacked when their team plays games in Italy. The most recent been Spurs fans when they played Lazio in Rome. <span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4;">In 1985, hooliganism was rampant among English fans in Europe. There were many riots in stadiums and widespread destruction away from the stadiums. The difference with Heysel was the stadium was fundamentally unsafe, and so the wall gave way. No walls give way during the most violent riots today. UEFA were warned not to have a neutral section separating the fans on the same terrace. They failed to heed the warning, and mayhem erupted on the night. </span> <span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4;"> </span> <span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4;">It could just as easily have been Liverpool fans on that wall. T</span><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4;">he easy thing to do was to put the entire blame for what happened at Liverpool's door, and UEFA duly did, when it was easily preventable in advance. Today, UEFA still sell tickets for Neutral zones at finals and championships. So they still haven't learned their own lessons from Heysel. </span>

Juventus got their apology? Are you serious? A banner, a wreath & a round of applause is not apology. Liverpool fans are paying for what happened at Heysel. This justice for the 96 rubbish doesn't mean a whole lot to me I'm sad to say, thousands of cowardly bastards were seen clearly on TV that night in Brussells but somehow the club & supporters blamed everyone else & continue to do so 29 years on. Liverpool fans need not wonder why the footballing world hates them, the murder of 39 people has a lot to do with it.

Any time this JFT96 crap is rammed down my throat I get seriously angered, I was 6 & saw people dying at a match in front of my eyes & not one shred of responsibitly has been taken by Liverpool. Sickening.

First and foremost I want to react to the absolute brainless and bog standard 'it's never our fault' comments.

This is the mentality that causes these sort of incidents..

one thing I know is that Heysel was absolutely 100% not my fault and any other Liverpool fan. It was the fault of the people involved in the incident and as far as I am concerned they acted alone.

obviously because the were in a stadium at a game supporting a club the club has to take responsibility for them, but at no time has liverpool football club ever supported violence. They choose to fight their battles on the pitch.

living in Poland I am in closer contact with football violence. I have seen it first hand. I even had the missfortune one night of having a late drink in a Poznan bar and listening to the doorman boast how he was barred from Lech stadium and for him to continue to tell me how they took great pleasure in taking amphetamines and vodka and generally beating the living sh*t out of the away fans. The man had absolutely no interest in football.

we have all seen the documentaries and we have ourselves in Landsdowne road experienced football hooligans at an Irish v English game.

After reading this thread I am really considering if I will ever read or post on this site again. The bitterness is something else. I thought people on here loved football. I don't hate any club, the nature of the game is there is only one at the end of the season on top and whoever makes it, does so because they have worked hard and played well all season. I get great entertainment all season from all the clubs, bar none. Thats how it works in any country in every league.

Heysel stadium was a deep shame and stain on the character of liverpool football club and the victims of that night should never be forgotten.

but it's not my fault and its not the team who are playing their heart out this seasons fault and anyone who even brings it up is a bitter and twisted moron who chooses to embrace the absolute stupidity and hathred thatcauses nights like Heysel.

It's just a game and it is never ever more than the life of a human being.

Andkend wrote: First and foremost I want to react to the absolute brainless and bog standard 'it's never our fault' comments. This is the mentality that causes these sort of incidents.. one thing I know is that Heysel was absolutely 100% not my fault and any other Liverpool fan. It was the fault of the people involved in the incident and as far as I am concerned they acted alone. obviously because the were in a stadium at a game supporting a club the club has to take responsibility for them, but at no time has liverpool football club ever supported violence. They choose to fight their battles on the pitch. living in Poland I am in closer contact with football violence. I have seen it first hand. I even had the missfortune one night of having a late drink in a Poznan bar and listening to the doorman boast how he was barred from Lech stadium and for him to continue to tell me how they took great pleasure in taking amphetamines and vodka and generally beating the living sh*t out of the away fans. The man had absolutely no interest in football. we have all seen the documentaries and we have ourselves in Landsdowne road experienced football hooligans at an Irish v English game. After reading this thread I am really considering if I will ever read or post on this site again. The bitterness is something else. I thought people on here loved football. I don't hate any club, the nature of the game is there is only one at the end of the season on top and whoever makes it, does so because they have worked hard and played well all season. I get great entertainment all season from all the clubs, bar none. Thats how it works in any country in every league. Heysel stadium was a deep shame and stain on the character of liverpool football club and the victims of that night should never be forgotten. but it's not my fault and its not the team who are playing their heart out this seasons fault and anyone who even brings it up is a bitter and twisted moron who chooses to embrace the absolute stupidity and hathred thatcauses nights like Heysel. It's just a game and it is never ever more than the life of a human being.

I'll ask you this then, why is Hillsbrough brought up on a weekly basis yet the club distances itself completely from Heysel? It's like Heysel never happened. Liverpool tend to shrug their shoulders & use the same excuse time & time again - "it wasn't our fault".

Yes Hillsbrough was a tragedy but week on week the marching band is rolled out for the TV cameras but as a club & a city Liverpool turn the other way when Heysel is mentioned. Responsibitly was never taken & that is the reason for bitterness towards the club & it's "fans".

Edited by bundy - 08 Apr 2014 at 10:25am

irishmufc wrote: Shedite wrote: Good article. My dad was in the stadium that night - crazy scenes by all accounts. The game was played while the emergency was unfolding behind the goals. Nobody was looking at the game by all accounts. Very strange. Jesus that's mental. Where in the stadium was your dad? Apparently the players didn't realize the scale of what was happening until either later on that night or the next morning

He was in the stands, safe and sound (part of his honeymoon!). Always heard stories bout it but never seen any footage/documentaries about it. Funny how the english media flood us with shows about Hillsborough.

Andkend wrote: First and foremost I want to react to the absolute brainless and bog standard 'it's never our fault' comments. This is the mentality that causes these sort of incidents.. one thing I know is that Heysel was absolutely 100% not my fault and any other Liverpool fan. It was the fault of the people involved in the incident and as far as I am concerned they acted alone. obviously because the were in a stadium at a game supporting a club the club has to take responsibility for them, but at no time has liverpool football club ever supported violence. They choose to fight their battles on the pitch. living in Poland I am in closer contact with football violence. I have seen it first hand. I even had the missfortune one night of having a late drink in a Poznan bar and listening to the doorman boast how he was barred from Lech stadium and for him to continue to tell me how they took great pleasure in taking amphetamines and vodka and generally beating the living sh*t out of the away fans. The man had absolutely no interest in football. we have all seen the documentaries and we have ourselves in Landsdowne road experienced football hooligans at an Irish v English game. After reading this thread I am really considering if I will ever read or post on this site again. The bitterness is something else. I thought people on here loved football. I don't hate any club, the nature of the game is there is only one at the end of the season on top and whoever makes it, does so because they have worked hard and played well all season. I get great entertainment all season from all the clubs, bar none. Thats how it works in any country in every league. Heysel stadium was a deep shame and stain on the character of liverpool football club and the victims of that night should never be forgotten. but it's not my fault and its not the team who are playing their heart out this seasons fault and anyone who even brings it up is a bitter and twisted moron who chooses to embrace the absolute stupidity and hathred thatcauses nights like Heysel. It's just a game and it is never ever more than the life of a human being.

it's never liverpool's fault.

I don't know what you're getting at Andkend in regards to the timing of this thread as it was Citizen who bumped this thread with an article he came across. I don't think Citizen follows any English team so Liverpool's current good form has no bearing on this.