Keiren Westwood

deise316 wrote: [QUOTE=GUFC_Andy]watched Westwood against Newcastle yesterday, was brilliant as usual. A far better keeper than Randolph as others on here point out [QUOTE] Simply not true. You can argue, and I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you, that he is the better of the 2 keepers, but it is marginal at best. If he was in fact as superior to Randolph as you claim, with some massive gulf in class between them, well, Liverpool don't have a great keeper, neither do Man City, why isn't Westwood playing for one of them ??  This is the kind of rubbish that gets thrown around here regularly, that player X is ''far better'' than player Y, but barring Seamus Coleman, who is genuinely a class player who would hold his own in any team you care to mention, we have a bunch of lads for nearly every position who are roughly of equal ability, and picking one over the other is what the manager does. We can all have our opinions, but simply making a statement like the above doesn't make it true.

Being honest Deise in terms of ability ,I think Westwood is better than Randolph. Randolph has been very good for us and doesn't deserve to be dropped but I was blown away with Westwood's performance against United a some years ago when he was playing for Sunderland.

A bit like Given in his prime, he can pull of these reaction saves at close range that Randolph can't or hasn't done imo.

I'm happy enough though with Randolph in goal all the same. We always seen to produce fairly solid keepers anyway. O'Neill is very loyal to players and I don't think this is a case where it's scandalous that Westwood isn't playing but he's unlucky to be behind a goalie who's doing well.

The great thing is is that we can have Westwood for the next 4 years if he decided to stay in the international set up. Great back up to have

I'm with Deise on this. If Westwood is much better then why is he stuck in The Championship? It's not like he's an unknown youngster.

For various reasons Westwood has been missing for us so many times that he can't have many complaints about not being the no.1

pre Madonna wrote: deise316 wrote: [QUOTE=GUFC_Andy]watched Westwood against Newcastle yesterday, was brilliant as usual. A far better keeper than Randolph as others on here point out [QUOTE] Simply not true. You can argue, and I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you, that he is the better of the 2 keepers, but it is marginal at best. If he was in fact as superior to Randolph as you claim, with some massive gulf in class between them, well, Liverpool don't have a great keeper, neither do Man City, why isn't Westwood playing for one of them ??  This is the kind of rubbish that gets thrown around here regularly, that player X is ''far better'' than player Y, but barring Seamus Coleman, who is genuinely a class player who would hold his own in any team you care to mention, we have a bunch of lads for nearly every position who are roughly of equal ability, and picking one over the other is what the manager does. We can all have our opinions, but simply making a statement like the above doesn't make it true.  I would normally agree with ya but I think in this case it is more than marginal, unfortunately for Westwood the problem MON has is personal. Westwood is consistently judged to be the best keeper in the Championship, I don't think Randolph would be near the top 10, so I think "far better" is a fair assessment. In fairness to Randolph he also hasn't done anything to deserve to be dropped, I just don't think he should have been first choice at that time.

If you wouldn't mind, could you name the keepers that would keep Randolph well out of the top 10 in the Championship?

As long as Rando is playing every week, he's number 1 for me. All keepers are prone to gaffes, even the ver top ones, so I won't hold that against him. Solid for us!

I like Westwood and it is great to have him as back-up, but that's about it.

Ward- absolutely no chance, shockingly overrated keeper
Green- Not even close at this stage of his career
McGovern- Getting ridiculous now....
Stockdale- Easily a level below Randolph
Bentley- Too early in his career to say
Darlow- I've seen nothing to suggest he's better than Elliot, let alone Randolph

Randolph would comfortably be in the top 5 keepers in the Championship if he played there, along with Westwood. There can be very little doubt about that.

Edited by The O'Shea - 09 Apr 2017 at 7:33pm

pre Madonna wrote: The O'Shea wrote: Ward- absolutely no chance, shockingly overrated keeper he is overrated, about the same as Randy Green- Not even close at this stage of his career I take it you haven't watched him this year? McGovern- Getting ridiculous now....  he has been awful this season Stockdale- Easily a level below Randolph easily the same level, I would prefer him of the 2 Bentley- Too early in his career to say Will only get better Darlow- I've seen nothing to suggest he's better than Elliot, let alone Randolph I prefer Elliot of the three Randolph would comfortably be in the top 5 keepers in the Championship if he played there, along with Westwood. There can be very little doubt about that.

Elliot probably better keeper than both alright but tbh Darlow has played well this season

MC Hammered wrote: I'm with Deise on this. If Westwood is much better then why is he stuck in The Championship? It's not like he's an unknown youngster. 1

Because he's an Irish international.

coyne wrote: I thought I was having 1 of them days I needed to take my pills because I thought I saw someone suggest that Karl Darlow is better than KW. But its actually real. I'm not even sure what the argument is about tbh. It's pretty well known KW is 1 of the best in the league but won't get a permanent #1 role for Ireland because of the beef with MON. I thought we established this a few years back not in 2017