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I think if Duffy's international career is going to be prolonged for another 4-5 years the only way I can see him being an automatic choice under Kenny is in a back 3.
I do like him mind, he owes Ireland nothing and has been a very good servant when many hid he never shirked a challenge.
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When you look at it is there anyone who would be better that Duffy at centre half at the moment ..
Also you have to think what he can do at the other end of the pitch as well . I am still in the Duffy camp for now .
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Duffy is a starter for us no question, he's experienced, in the air he will win all his 50/50s (actually he'll win all his 90/10s in favour of the opposition) if ireland are set up to hold a lead he's your man.
However in terms of defending, he's solid if we defend deep (edge of the box) but when asked to defend a little higher up the field, he's a poor defender. For Brighton he was asked to defend higher up the field when Potter joined, he's now asked to play a higher line at Celtic. If Kenny wants to play a higher line, I feel he's going to struggle.
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Exactly some fans seems to have forgotten how well Duffy has done for Ireland in the past.
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It doesn't mean you can't be critical of the present or ask questions for the future.
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Fair enough but in the main Duffy has done well for Ireland and I sometime fell that because his form has not been good for his club side this can be overlooked.
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Maybe in the past when we played a different system but it becomes more relevant when both his club side and Ireland are looking to play the same way and he's been caught out by that a few times.
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I think the question that needs answering is, will Duffy be able to perform for ireland like he did under O'Neil and Mccarthy if Kenny wants to play a more possession based system with a higher defensive line.
Under MON or Mccarthy we probably wouldn't even be having this conversation as Duffy would play his game. Under Kenny, he's being asked to play a different type.of football
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Duffy and Egan are unquestionably our best centre-halves. An international manager, and especially one with a small, limited pool of players, has to cut his cloth accordingly. Kenny can't buy players to suit his preferred system. His job is to find a workable, effective system and style of play that get the best out of the players he has. If he can't do that then he willl have failed.
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Well then we may need to revert back to a defensive long ball approach...
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Not necessarily. It's easy to criticise individual players and call from their removal from the team, but it always comes back to the same question; 'who do we have who's better?'. Long and Lenihan are hardly pacy, ball-playing centre-backs, either.
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Have to agree with you LF , but as it has been said Duffy is not suited to the Kenny style of play but he is still a very good footballer .
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Why do we have to do that?
All Duffy has to do is keep it simple and play the easy pass, or maybe get the 3 midfielders to come out of hiding and show for the ball. It's about playing to your strengths. |
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The system rules. If Duffy or anyone doesn't fit, then so be it. If the system exposes a player's weakness more often than not, and there's no way to circumvent this in order to accommodate said player, then tough decisions have to be made.
To flip it on it's head style wise. Jack Charlton comes in and has no time for Liam Brady's instinct to be on the ball in (what Jack perceived) dangerous areas of the pitch. Too risky. Get it into the final third. Back to front. Horses for courses. Duffy would have been a pig in sh!t in a Charlton team. We have to accept (like Liam Brady) that the manager's vision will rule, and if the player is a liability to the system, then unfortunately your game time will be limited.
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And hiding your weaknesses. It's another reason why 5-3-2 with wing backs would most suit the players at our disposal as you could have two more ball playing CBs either side of Duffy. It looks like we're set on the 4-3-3 for the foreseeable however so as you say Duffy needs to focus on keeping it simple and cut out those awful cross-field pass attempts he's partial to.
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What about when he doesn't have the ball? In my opinion he was caught out for the goal in Bulgaria and the home goal against Finland - It wasn't all his fault. I'm not being critical for the sake of it - Maybe there is a chance with good coaching he can adapt.
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To be honest in possession i think Duffy will be fine playing it short and keeping it simple. He's solid in the air and has strength to hold off forward players in opposition corners and free kicks.
My concern is when the opposition play the ball in behind him. I hope I'm proved wrong but ive seen him struggle to track the runner in behind him a few times in the games he's played for Ireland and celtic. (Maybe he's just been rusty) |
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Agreed. I'm not as concerned about Duffy when we're in possession. Actually, quite impressed by how good he's been most of the time. But pushing up and and playing a high line is unfortunately what exposes his achilles heel.... pace. Opposition teams will jump on this, and done well it will knock our confidence, forcing our back 4 deeper, nullifying our press. Also, the further back our defence is, we are going to struggle to get the ball out, as we still don't have THAT midfielder who will take a game by the scruff of the neck, dropping deep and linking the defence and midfield.
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