Shane Duffy

I was at that match, and no he wasn't the stand-out performer actually.

horsebox wrote: I was at that match, and no he wasn't the stand-out performer actually. He was also playing CM and not LB as you say. He's too young and he's too inexperienced and he has plenty of time on his side. Trap will not pick him due to the reasons above and also he has not really been involved in the senior side. Trap already knows his 23.

Opinions.
CM? LB? You must have been at a different couple of games. He was at CB. With O'Dea. McShane at RB and Greg Cunningham at LB.  And he was 18 at that stage.

When he was 17, he already had 2 European games under his belt, as well as 3 U21 caps for Northern Ireland. Trap included him in a training camp at 18 with little experience.

He is 20 now, in a much better position than he was then, with more experience. He has 6 U21 caps 1 goal. 19 games for S****horpe, 1 goal. 1 game for Burnley and 4 games for Everton. That's not a career of experience, granted, but who said you needed a specified amount?

This mantra of being too young and inexperienced to be selected doesn't always hold water.

I think the chances of him making the Euros squad are slim, but stranger things have happened.


Edited by Predator - 28 Jan 2012 at 11:02am

Predator wrote: horsebox wrote: I was at that match, and no he wasn't the stand-out performer actually. He was also playing CM and not LB as you say. He's too young and he's too inexperienced and he has plenty of time on his side. Trap will not pick him due to the reasons above and also he has not really been involved in the senior side. Trap already knows his 23. Opinions. CM? LB? You must have been at a different couple of games. He was at CB. With O'Dea. McShane at RB and Greg Cunningham at LB.  And he was 18 at that stage. When he was 17, he already had 2 European games under his belt, as well as 3 U21 caps for Northern Ireland. Trap included him in a training camp at 18 with little experience. He is 20 now, in a much better position than he was then, with more experience. He has 6 U21 caps 1 goal. 19 games for S****horpe, 1 goal. 1 game for Burnley and 4 games for Everton. That's not a career of experience, granted, but who said you needed a specified amount? This mantra of being too young and inexperienced to be selected doesn't always hold water. I think the chances of him making the Euros squad are slim, but stranger things have happened.

horsebox wrote: The reality for Duffy is that there is not a fooking hope of making the plane. So you need to get a reality check and stop talking like there is. I like Duffy as I believe that he has a very bright future ahead of him, but his time will come. I would say there is at least 8 players ahead of him at the moment. Trap is not going to pick him as he said himself that there will be little chance in the squad of 23.

Woah, hold on a minute. I need a reality check and I need to stop talking like there is a possibility? Perhaps you should stop to read what I've written.

Let's look at the actual reality: Duffy is a 20 year old Irish centre back who has been impressing in his baptism of fire at Everton. Prior to that he was S****horpe's best defender. He has an abundance of international experience, he has played in the Europa League. That is the reality.

Having seen quite a lot of him, I believe Duffy is already a quality player and that he is better than O'Dea, St Ledger and Wilson in the CB position.  Relative to those guys however, he lacks experience and hasn't worked with Trapattoni since May 2010 when he almost died on the pitch.

I merely don't like to rule out possibilities. Anything could happen. I have also acknowledged Trap's comments and think that it's unlikely that Duffy will be in the squad.

horsebox wrote: The only possibility of Duffy making it to the Euro's if the following get injured. Dunne St ledger O'Dea O'Shea McShane Foley Wilson Clark The lads above are all ahead of Duffy - this is the reality. His time will come though.

How does Duffy have " an abundance of international experience"??
Have I missed something ??

BigStrongMan wrote: How does Duffy have " an abundance of international experience"?? Have I missed something ??

At 17 he had already amassed a number of u17, 19 and u21 caps for Northern Ireland. Even had  B cap and was in senior squads. He is 20 now and was in a senior training cap at 18. He has U19 and U21 international experience for Ireland too.

Emerald wrote: Bob Hoskins wrote: Why did he get called into the Everton first team, mores to the point who was/is injured. When are they due back? Because Jagielka and Distin are both injured. Distin due back fairly soon, Jagielka out for a while yet.

Will he keep his place when Distin comes back

BigStrongMan wrote: Jaysus most players have underage caps Fuk all in comparison to playing senior football

Your opinion, of course.
I've been to many under age international games. Competitive games at U21 and U19 in particular are worthy endeavours. I don't discount them in the manner that you do.