Glenn Whelan

greenmachine68 wrote: FrankosHereNow wrote: greenmachine68 wrote: FrankosHereNow wrote: greenmachine68 wrote: FrankosHereNow wrote: greenmachine68 wrote: nothing pre-determined about watching a fella with 70 odd caps steal an international career. That's just my opinion, based on the type of midfielder I like to watch and would prefer to see in an Ireland shirt. Who exactly would you have had ahead of him?  anybody who has the balls to show for the ball and pass it forward.,All this talk about this stellar premiership career he had, playing for stoke in the midfield under pulis, he would have been bypassed most of the time. While some recent Ireland managers like to go direct, I think defenders are left with no option with people like whelan in the team. That's all well and good but can you name the alternatives over the past 10 years? If your happy watching glen whelan for Ireland, I respect your opinion. With regard to alternatives, does it matter now. Liam Brady was an alternative for Ireland under charlton did he play? No. Managers opinion. I'll not be sorry to see him finish with Ireland. I might watch his career highlights video though. It should only take 5mins. You're on a nonsensical rant about who sh*te you perceive Glen Whelan to be but you cannot name one person over the last 10 years who should have played instead of him.   No you tell me why he should play. What's the outstanding qualities that he has or displayed? 10 years with stoke so what. That chilli team are loaded with boys who couldn't get a game with Cardiff,qpr or West Brom. People should be judged what they do in their countries shirt not who they have a premiership contract with. We'll never know who would have done better than him, because our managers during his career prefer not to go through the midfield. But I'll tell you what he would be found out in any proper footballing team!

Because he was and is the best of the options we have. Pretty f**king simple. You can harp on all day about how sh*te you think he is but you cannot name one alternative. He has been solid for us over the years. He's there to do a job, which he does. Stoke City have signed numerous CM's over the last 7 years and Whelan always was their number one CM.

DUBLIN DOC wrote: Franko i think you are arguing with that fckin idiot (no not me ) rain paulo, has great form for knocking all our players and has had a million different guises on here

Rainpaulo wasn't that f**king stupid. 

irish_major wrote: greenmachine68 wrote: FrankosHereNow wrote: greenmachine68 wrote: FrankosHereNow wrote: greenmachine68 wrote: nothing pre-determined about watching a fella with 70 odd caps steal an international career. That's just my opinion, based on the type of midfielder I like to watch and would prefer to see in an Ireland shirt. Who exactly would you have had ahead of him?  anybody who has the balls to show for the ball and pass it forward.,All this talk about this stellar premiership career he had, playing for stoke in the midfield under pulis, he would have been bypassed most of the time. While some recent Ireland managers like to go direct, I think defenders are left with no option with people like whelan in the team. That's all well and good but can you name the alternatives over the past 10 years? If your happy watching glen whelan for Ireland, I respect your opinion. With regard to alternatives, does it matter now. Liam Brady was an alternative for Ireland under charlton did he play? No. Managers opinion. I'll not be sorry to see him finish with Ireland. I might watch his career highlights video though. It should only take 5mins. You're not even making sense you f**king idiot. Obviously you don't go to any Ireland games and you watch too much on TV and you're one of these clowns that listen to dunphy. Will end up being a great signing for villa, he'll do very well in the championship.

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greenmachine68 wrote: FrankosHereNow wrote: greenmachine68 wrote: FrankosHereNow wrote: greenmachine68 wrote: nothing pre-determined about watching a fella with 70 odd caps steal an international career. That's just my opinion, based on the type of midfielder I like to watch and would prefer to see in an Ireland shirt. Who exactly would you have had ahead of him?  anybody who has the balls to show for the ball and pass it forward.,All this talk about this stellar premiership career he had, playing for stoke in the midfield under pulis, he would have been bypassed most of the time. While some recent Ireland managers like to go direct, I think defenders are left with no option with people like whelan in the team. That's all well and good but can you name the alternatives over the past 10 years? If your happy watching glen whelan for Ireland, I respect your opinion. With regard to alternatives, does it matter now. Liam Brady was an alternative for Ireland under charlton did he play? No. Managers opinion. I'll not be sorry to see him finish with Ireland. I might watch his career highlights video though. It should only take 5mins.

No offence but you clearly don't know your history. Brady was first choice in midfield for two years under Charlton and had his best campaign for years in the Euro 88 qualifiers. He would have started in that tournament without question were it not the fact he did his cruciate between qualifying and the tournament. He'd have made the squad despite having a two game ban for a red card in the final qualifier, a game which he ran. He had retired from international football before World Cup 90 and was finished with club football by the time that tournament started. So when was he an alternative for Ireland under Charlton? He wasn't happy with the way Charlton wanted him to play yet was far better playing for him than he was in 84 or 86 qualifying. It's a myth that he was a viable alternative that was frozen out.

So have we come to the conclusion that Liam Brady should have started ahead of Whelan?

Citizen wrote: he is neither sh*t, nor a brilliant player, somewhere in between the truth lies.  has always done his best for us, and he has done what has been asked of him.  people with a very primitive understanding of football love headless chicken midfielders that lunge and chase at any given opportunity. zero appreciation of positional play, hence why o'shea has alot of over zealous critics also, and st ledger who was a donkey got a lot of acclaim too. 98% of a players game is when is off the ball. you hear it at every game, clowns shouting 'go to him, go to him', when clearly the player is correct in holding his position. The same idiots will give whelan dogs abuse.  Go and a have a look at that game in glasgow, with a central pairing of gibson and hendrick and only then will you grasp what whelan brings, steven naismith looked like iniesta that night, two headless chickens chasing shadows, leaving huge gaps in behind them. also go and look how whelan completely nulfiied pjanic in the playoff games v bosnia. look at how 5 mins after he went off v germany away, kroos managed to get score from outside the box in an area than whelan always occupies.

Citizen wrote: he is neither sh*t, nor a brilliant player, somewhere in between the truth lies.  has always done his best for us, and he has done what has been asked of him.  people with a very primitive understanding of football love headless chicken midfielders that lunge and chase at any given opportunity. zero appreciation of positional play, hence why o'shea has alot of over zealous critics also, and st ledger who was a donkey got a lot of acclaim too. 98% of a players game is when is off the ball. you hear it at every game, clowns shouting 'go to him, go to him', when clearly the player is correct in holding his position. The same idiots will give whelan dogs abuse.  Go and a have a look at that game in glasgow, with a central pairing of gibson and hendrick and only then will you grasp what whelan brings, steven naismith looked like iniesta that night, two headless chickens chasing shadows, leaving huge gaps in behind them. also go and look how whelan completely nulfiied pjanic in the playoff games v bosnia. look at how 5 mins after he went off v germany away, kroos managed to get score from outside the box in an area than whelan always occupies.

Citizen wrote: he is neither sh*t, nor a brilliant player, somewhere in between the truth lies.  has always done his best for us, and he has done what has been asked of him.  people with a very primitive understanding of football love headless chicken midfielders that lunge and chase at any given opportunity. zero appreciation of positional play, hence why o'shea has alot of over zealous critics also, and st ledger who was a donkey got a lot of acclaim too. 98% of a players game is when is off the ball. you hear it at every game, clowns shouting 'go to him, go to him', when clearly the player is correct in holding his position. The same idiots will give whelan dogs abuse.  Go and a have a look at that game in glasgow, with a central pairing of gibson and hendrick and only then will you grasp what whelan brings, steven naismith looked like iniesta that night, two headless chickens chasing shadows, leaving huge gaps in behind them. also go and look how whelan completely nulfiied pjanic in the playoff games v bosnia. look at how 5 mins after he went off v germany away, kroos managed to get score from outside the box in an area than whelan always occupies.

Spot on.

He saw off a few pretenders during his time st Stoke. I'm sure he would've seen a decent amount of playing time had he elected to stay.

No guarantees he'll be a regular starter at Villa, either. There's plenty of competition for midfield place there as well, of course.