Glenn Whelan

When someone can't grasp what's being debating they deflect from the points at hand.

This is what your 3rd or 4th post now on this thread and not once have you offered any opinion or insight in a footballing context on it.

It's cool though 

I thought Shaun Williams was under used tbh, a man who done well in his few caps.

After the WC 2018 Qualifiers were over he would have been a good stop gap in the short term to properly replace Glenn, he's a few years younger than him. 

He would be seen as a more dynamic player than Whelan also.

The point about Club football is about the fluidity and flexibility that doesn’t exist in international football. It doesn’t really matter that you didn’t raise it, it’s an important contextual point and goes to explaining our poor options in midfield.

You’ve missed the point of a modern DM, which is really a modern creation. Watching Rice, and seeing what all managers involved with him have seen, you can see what a good CDM does, as they can make the tackle and spread a good ball either creating space for the orthodox CM’s or release the wingers. That is aside from the tackling aspect, and the box-to-box efforts synonymous with these type of players. These are not lugs of players, otherwise you’d use the most bludgery CB’s as a battering ram. 

In terms of chances, Cullen has been capped twice, McCarthy has withdrawn and Arter has been out. That is aside from Meyler retiring and Rice defecting. Molumby is a new addition to the list, but he has only started earning his corn, and it is very different to the likes of Ampadu who would be starting in the PL.

I think we will be more expansive, simply as it would be highly unlikely that we could draw our way to the Euros. That would be the highest risk strategy which if brought to its conclusion could necessitate penalties and in a situation like that you couldn’t back us to be sure to beat Gibraltar.

I haven't really, we don't have a player with the capabilities to spray balls 50 yards this way and that hence why I didn't mention it in what I would expect from whoever takes over from Whelan  A modern holding midfielder for Ireland can be a lot different to one that's expected to play that role for Man City or Real Madrid.

I simplified my points to the players we potentially have at our disposal.

Well I really hope under Kenny we do become expansive, we've a lot of very good young players coming through and though it will take time and we may learn a few harsh lessons hopefully the future will be bright!

Sorry, I took your description to be a resume of the role and that’s why I felt it needed differentiation. In fits and starts I say Whelan play the modern role, but it was fits and starts. However, it was a lot more welcome to see that. But also, by your own description

 Whelan actually fitted the bill more often than not. And the concern is playing players out of position in that role, playing inexperienced players, or abandoning the role could have totally obliterated us. We are still in contention. The football has been untidy and difficult to watch, but we may still be at the Euros.

At the moment, the potential looks good. Kelleher getting the nod from Klopp, Obafemi scoring in the PL, Collins doing reasonably well at Stoke, Manning becoming a prominent member of the QPR team, Parrott becoming involved around the Spurs squad, Molumby and Cullen doing well in the Championship m, OConner getting his move to Celtic, and that is aside from Brady and McCarthy playing regularly again, the Sheffield United contingent doing well in the PL, Doherty being a very legitimate option at RB. It is positive and hopefully it can go that way.

Then why haven't they?

I don't have access to stats and analytical data of how much ground, tackle percentage, passing statistics and all the things you claim to need  but i'd imagine that Mick and O' Neil, Trappantoni did hence the reason Whelan remained an almost ever stay in the holding midfield role within the team.

You don't like Whelan we get it, I will point out I don't think he's the messiah either (in fact he has at times being a very naughty boy) but for example I seen a big difference in my opinion(*)  in the dynamic of our midfield from the games in the Nations League (which Whelan didn't play) and the games which Mick brought him back for.

What I meant in regards to the so called modern role you allude to and why I questioned , is that like any position on the field it can't be defined into one simple instruction or set of tasks, it depends on as I said above the dynamic and ability of players in and around.

Was our team better in the games with Whelan in them at times arguably yes but of course due to a range of different circumstances be it a bounce of a ball, the direction of the wind, the quick thinking of an opposition player he probably hasn't at times.

I'll also add I don't claim to be an expert in football and the ins and outs of what a centre mid should be doing in the 50th minute of a match when his team are 1-0 down and only have 35% possession.

 

Which is absolute nonsense.

You must have a short memory, it was only last year that you took issue with my opinion on a random topic and you were the one who brought up my interest re coaching in what was more than a sly dig.

"Wisconsin are getting some coach if that's your attitude" or something along those lines.

You were trying to be a smartarse earlier and I pulled you up on it so don't be playing the innocent victim. 

Which I apologized for if I remember correctly, 

We'll agree to disagree as I think it's more use of both out time.