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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

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He was one of Villa's best players last year when they went up, he is definitely still good enough for the Championship.
 
Not good enough for one of the worst teams in  Scotland's top league but good enough for the championship? Interesting.

Was training 2 days a week, plenty of Hearts fans think he was more than good enough for them and things just didn't work out, he didn't magically turn from one of the best players in a top Championship team to a League 1 player over the Summer, but that doesn't suit the anti-Whelan narrative the majority of our fans who clearly haven't a clue about football have.
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Hopefully Mick decides that’s the end of his career and starts playing some of these brilliant midfielders he was keeping out of the team. 

Sarcasm aside, I'd love to see Molumby get his spot for the playoffs if  James McCarthy is unable or unwilling. 

I'd love to see Molumby get his spot for the playoffs if James McCarthy is able and willing
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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by The White Cafu The White Cafu wrote:

He was one of Villa's best players last year when they went up, he is definitely still good enough for the Championship.
 
Not good enough for one of the worst teams in  Scotland's top league but good enough for the championship? Interesting.

Was training 2 days a week, plenty of Hearts fans think he was more than good enough for them and things just didn't work out, he didn't magically turn from one of the best players in a top Championship team to a League 1 player over the Summer, but that doesn't suit the anti-Whelan narrative the majority of our fans who clearly haven't a clue about football have.

Hearts and the entire Championship mustn't have a clue about football then, as well as the majority of Irish fans, for letting one of the best players in a top team in their league go to Scotland and get released. 


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wouldn't be too surprised to see him back at stoke.
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He has been very good for us.  Hopefully he will get a club soon.  
 
The only obvious youngster in Glenn's position is Josh Cullen.  He does look a real prospect but to hand him his competititve debut in Bratislava is a huge risk.  He has also been out for a few weeks but due back any day now I believe.

  
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wouldn't be too surprised to see him back at stoke.


Could be a good shout.

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Originally posted by The White Cafu The White Cafu wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by The White Cafu The White Cafu wrote:

He was one of Villa's best players last year when they went up, he is definitely still good enough for the Championship.
 
Not good enough for one of the worst teams in  Scotland's top league but good enough for the championship? Interesting.

Was training 2 days a week, plenty of Hearts fans think he was more than good enough for them and things just didn't work out, he didn't magically turn from one of the best players in a top Championship team to a League 1 player over the Summer, but that doesn't suit the anti-Whelan narrative the majority of our fans who clearly haven't a clue about football have.

Another idiotic statement to make.

He wasn't one of the best players in that Villa side in The Championship last season so lets not kid ourselves there either.

Mings, Grealish, McGinn, Elmo, Abraham etc were their main players so you're wrong.

We need to debunk this myth that a holding midfielder is crucial to the way we play, it really isn't and I would go as far as saying a holding midfielder is probably one of the most redundant positions in our set up! 

1. We don't start attacks from our kick outs (i.e. 6 drops in to receive the ball from the keeper to help start the attack)
2. We play a long ball game, which bypasses our midfield thus limiting their impact on a game even further.
3. When we don't have the ball we tend to sit back with 11 men behind the ball, which would make the centre of the pitch fairly compact. (Yet still we got cut open on many occasions times this campaign)
4. Due to us not pressing from the front space tends to be at a premium for the opposition to work in because they know if they go direct Duffy will hoover up most aerial threats!
5. I would also argue despite having numerous players behind the ball when out of possession we defend unbelievably deep also which again would limit the role of our holding midfielder.

Most modern day holding midfielders will try to engage with the opposition higher up the pitch, whereas Glenn plays so deep you would swear he was a third centre half.

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Originally posted by The White Cafu The White Cafu wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by The White Cafu The White Cafu wrote:

He was one of Villa's best players last year when they went up, he is definitely still good enough for the Championship.
 
Not good enough for one of the worst teams in  Scotland's top league but good enough for the championship? Interesting.

Was training 2 days a week, plenty of Hearts fans think he was more than good enough for them and things just didn't work out, he didn't magically turn from one of the best players in a top Championship team to a League 1 player over the Summer, but that doesn't suit the anti-Whelan narrative the majority of our fans who clearly haven't a clue about football have.
 
Ah f**k off LOL
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Comments from the manager are a bit strange, albeit refreshingly honest.

"I can say he is a good type. He wants to take the responsibility but I have seen only three games. Do you have the feeling he is a leader in this group? It's not Glenn's fault – but a real leader in the centre of the pitch? Sorry. Maybe I missed it. Michael Smith tries to take responsibility on the pitch.

"Before I came here, they signed some players who have experience and are the right age to take the responsibility but maybe they are not fit at the moment or they cannot handle the situation at the moment."

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Given the gung-ho/all action nature of the SPL would Glenn not have been better off going to a league with less physical demands on his body.

I mean at his age, a slower paced more technical league would have suited him far better.

Go and watch a Hearts vs Hibs game on the telly you would be nearly out of breath looking at it, never mind playing in it due to the ferocity and tempo these games are played at.


Edited by Green Devil - 07 Jan 2020 at 1:39pm
"He drives two Ferraris; I think he's a very lucky lad to have 50 caps for Ireland,"

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Originally posted by gspain gspain wrote:

He has been very good for us.  Hopefully he will get a club soon.  
 
The only obvious youngster in Glenn's position is Josh Cullen.  He does look a real prospect but to hand him his competititve debut in Bratislava is a huge risk.  He has also been out for a few weeks but due back any day now I believe.

  

This is not a point in favour of Cullen or against Whelan but more a general one - Risk of what? Losing? We went with the 'tried and tested' against Switzerland. Lost. Went with it against Denmark needing a win. Didnt get it. Went with it against Georgia. Didn't win, never looked like winning. 

In general, i don't understand the mindset. In general football terms, sticking with the tried and tested means "I know the abilities of these 11 players, and based on this i trust them to get the job done and get us the result we need". In Ireland, it means "I know the abilities of these 11 players". They've been tried, they've been tested, they've succeeded on rare occasions, more often than not they fail. I don't understand why those predictably unfavourable odds are such a comfort to people and that it would be insanity to introduce a young player doing well for his club that might offer us something different. That applies all over the pitch.
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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Comments from the manager are a bit strange, albeit refreshingly honest.

"I can say he is a good type. He wants to take the responsibility but I have seen only three games. Do you have the feeling he is a leader in this group? It's not Glenn's fault – but a real leader in the centre of the pitch? Sorry. Maybe I missed it. Michael Smith tries to take responsibility on the pitch.

"Before I came here, they signed some players who have experience and are the right age to take the responsibility but maybe they are not fit at the moment or they cannot handle the situation at the moment."

That manager hasn’t a clue! A lot more successful managers than him have a much better opinion of Whelan.Hopefully he’ll get another club soon as he’s been one of our greatest ever players

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manager also sacked captain Bera. Gle will be back playing and proving the knockers wrong again.
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Whelan's been doing his job for us of defensive holding midfielder and shielding the defence and one of the reasons we concede few goals is because of his efforts. The remainder of the midfield and strike force responsible for the creation and scoring of goals are the ones that are failing in their job. 
Molumby's a promising player but he's not a tackler at all, he plays in a deep role but his qualities are in creating play not of a defensive nature so he's not a like for like replacement in any respect. Maybe we could manage without a defensive midfielder completely but playoff match is a one off and not the best time to experiment, we could completely collapse. 
Having said that if Whelan's not playing regular football he's going to need to be replaced; more likely by Cullen if he's fit. McCarthy doen't seem bothered and isn't someone we can count on.
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manager also sacked captain Bera. Gle will be back playing and proving the knockers wrong again.
Berra has been absolutely abysmal for a while though. It is clearly a season too far for him.
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Originally posted by OnTheOneRoad OnTheOneRoad wrote:

Originally posted by gspain gspain wrote:

He has been very good for us.  Hopefully he will get a club soon.  
 
The only obvious youngster in Glenn's position is Josh Cullen.  He does look a real prospect but to hand him his competititve debut in Bratislava is a huge risk.  He has also been out for a few weeks but due back any day now I believe.

  

This is not a point in favour of Cullen or against Whelan but more a general one - Risk of what? Losing? We went with the 'tried and tested' against Switzerland. Lost. Went with it against Denmark needing a win. Didnt get it. Went with it against Georgia. Didn't win, never looked like winning. 

In general, i don't understand the mindset. In general football terms, sticking with the tried and tested means "I know the abilities of these 11 players, and based on this i trust them to get the job done and get us the result we need". In Ireland, it means "I know the abilities of these 11 players". They've been tried, they've been tested, they've succeeded on rare occasions, more often than not they fail. I don't understand why those predictably unfavourable odds are such a comfort to people and that it would be insanity to introduce a young player doing well for his club that might offer us something different. That applies all over the pitch.

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Originally posted by gufct gufct wrote:

manager also sacked captain Bera. Gle will be back playing and proving the knockers wrong again.

LOL

How come you never add any analysis on what the likes of Glenn offers this Irish side in a football context i.e. on the pitch. 

All you ever do is whinge and moan when people aren't saying what you want to hear about your favourites, it's embarrassing.

Basically you either go over the top praising certain players you like or you go over the top defending them without actually talking about what they actually do or bring to the team.

The depth of your comments are basically - Glenn always shows up, Glenn has 90 caps, Glenn is a lovely bloke etc




Edited by Green Devil - 07 Jan 2020 at 2:09pm
"He drives two Ferraris; I think he's a very lucky lad to have 50 caps for Ireland,"

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Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Comments from the manager are a bit strange, albeit refreshingly honest.

"I can say he is a good type. He wants to take the responsibility but I have seen only three games. Do you have the feeling he is a leader in this group? It's not Glenn's fault – but a real leader in the centre of the pitch? Sorry. Maybe I missed it. Michael Smith tries to take responsibility on the pitch.

"Before I came here, they signed some players who have experience and are the right age to take the responsibility but maybe they are not fit at the moment or they cannot handle the situation at the moment."

That manager hasn’t a clue! A lot more successful managers than him have a much better opinion of Whelan.Hopefully he’ll get another club soon as he’s been one of our greatest ever players


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Now, I'm by no means a Whelan basher. I think he's been one of our most consistent players the past 2 campaigns but to call him one of our best ever is just laughable.

I hope this is tongue in cheek!




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