You Boys in Green Homepage YBIG Shop
Forum Home Forum Home : International : Republic Of Ireland
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Mick McCarthy
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login


Mick McCarthy
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 5051525354 104>
Author
Message Reverse Sort Order
  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
t_rAndy View Drop Down
Robbie Keane
Robbie Keane


Joined: 06 Feb 2008
Location: Ireland
Status: Offline
Points: 26289 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote t_rAndy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 2:27pm
Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

I have to say that MM is approaching all the games on 100% his terms, he's picking who he wants with the players available to him and leaving out players for his reasons.

If we qualify it will largely be because of him and he will deserve credit.

If we don't qualify the usual questions will be asked about formation, players etc and he will have to shoulder his part too.

But all in all I think he's doing exactly what he should be doing. 

What would interest me if we qualify is the entire squad he selects for the tournament. Keogh being the exception, his usual suspects will be selected from 1-11. And I think that’s fine. But i would be a lot more critical if he left players at home who just didn’t fit in March 2019, in lieu of the people that did. It’s my primary gripe of Trapp’s squad in 2012.
 
I think Mick would use the friendlies to look at other players if we did qualify. He brought in Steven Reid in between qualfiying and the world cup 2002 if I am not mistaken so he has some form in that regard.
He also has had no problem cutting 'regulars' from his squad, e.g. Brady, if they are not in form for their clubs.  
Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
Het-field View Drop Down
Roy Keane
Roy Keane

By Appointment to His Majesty The King

Joined: 08 Mar 2016
Status: Offline
Points: 10755 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Het-field Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 2:20pm
Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

I have to say that MM is approaching all the games on 100% his terms, he's picking who he wants with the players available to him and leaving out players for his reasons.

If we qualify it will largely be because of him and he will deserve credit.

If we don't qualify the usual questions will be asked about formation, players etc and he will have to shoulder his part too.

But all in all I think he's doing exactly what he should be doing. 

What would interest me if we qualify is the entire squad he selects for the tournament. Keogh being the exception, his usual suspects will be selected from 1-11. And I think that’s fine. But i would be a lot more critical if he left players at home who just didn’t fit in March 2019, in lieu of the people that did. It’s my primary gripe of Trapp’s squad in 2012.
Back to Top
Left foot View Drop Down
Ray Houghton
Ray Houghton


Joined: 16 Aug 2019
Location: London
Status: Offline
Points: 0 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Left foot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 2:14pm
I have to say that MM is approaching all the games on 100% his terms, he's picking who he wants with the players available to him and leaving out players for his reasons.

If we qualify it will largely be because of him and he will deserve credit.

If we don't qualify the usual questions will be asked about formation, players etc and he will have to shoulder his part too.

But all in all I think he's doing exactly what he should be doing. 
Back to Top
Bob Hoskins View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar

Joined: 29 Jul 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 20175 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bob Hoskins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 11:22am
HB for next manager Clap
Romario 2016: And the ticket mafia gets caught! Well, four years ago I had already told the government.
Back to Top
horsebox View Drop Down
Robbie Keane
Robbie Keane
Avatar
Born n bred in darndale.

Joined: 03 Feb 2010
Location: Ireland
Status: Offline
Points: 34935 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote horsebox Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 10:43am
Originally posted by Claret Murph Claret Murph wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

MM: Yeah, but I've had 970 games as a coach and as a manager, so I'd like to think that they would respect my knowledge on the game. I was given eight games to qualify for the Euros - not four years to bring players through - so those questions are nonsensical really. Should I play them instead of Jeff Hendrick who has been brilliant, and Conor (Hourihane) and Glenn (Whelan)? Because if I do, and we get beat, I can tell you the first question: "How could you play a debutant in a game against Georgia?"

Spot on HB Thumbs Up


Their Mick's comments! from the article D69 posted in the previous page.
It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me,
He wouldn't set me free,
So he kept me soul for ransom.
na na na na na na na na na
na na na na na na na na.
I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to
Back to Top
Het-field View Drop Down
Roy Keane
Roy Keane

By Appointment to His Majesty The King

Joined: 08 Mar 2016
Status: Offline
Points: 10755 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Het-field Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 10:42am
I think some Irish fans have to get off the “Fantasy Football” lark, and actually take a pragmatic view of young players, some of them have never actually started first team games in the league, or in any other competition for that matter. As has been said at numerous times, the brief is to qualify. By retaining MON after the 2018 qualifiers, you vested squad development in him. One might say there was a degree of that g en who he played and picked, but the football was so stifling that we were spending most games at the end of our own box, and it didn’t matter who was picked. 

When McCarthy took over, much of what we are seeing now in terms of lads like Parrott, Kelleher, Molumby, and Connolly wasn’t happening. The likes of McCarthy and Clark we’re out of their club teams plans. We also had officially lost Rice. He had no friendly matches to try new things and went straight into the qualifiers. At the time, our resources were limited, with the best performing and consistent players (at the time) coming from the upper reaches of the championship. MM has always been able to perform with limited resources and we could potentially make it to a finals with that mechanism.

After that, it will be time to turn the page and see what happens when we use players like the young lads mentioned (amongst others) and the returning senior players. But now isn’t the time. And let’s be honest, some of the players we seem to be most critical of have made some of the most important contributions.
Back to Top
Claret Murph View Drop Down
Paul McGrath
Paul McGrath
Avatar
Hmmm, Goodness, I must say

Joined: 16 Apr 2009
Location: Tibet
Status: Offline
Points: 15774 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Claret Murph Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 10:35am
Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

MM: Yeah, but I've had 970 games as a coach and as a manager, so I'd like to think that they would respect my knowledge on the game. I was given eight games to qualify for the Euros - not four years to bring players through - so those questions are nonsensical really. Should I play them instead of Jeff Hendrick who has been brilliant, and Conor (Hourihane) and Glenn (Whelan)? Because if I do, and we get beat, I can tell you the first question: "How could you play a debutant in a game against Georgia?"
Spot on HB Thumbs Up
Lansdowne Road debut aged 52 and 201 days .
Back to Top
colemanY2K View Drop Down
Roy Keane
Roy Keane
Avatar
Fresh minty breath

Joined: 01 Mar 2010
Location: London
Status: Offline
Points: 14959 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote colemanY2K Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 10:28am
Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

Always injured (some dubious) but when he has played he hasnt done enough. 

He came back from injury in January. The problem is getting minutes on the field which now looks like less of an issue. 
"One of the dominant facts in English life during the past three quarters of a century has been the decay of ability in the ruling class." Orwell, 1942.
Back to Top
DUBLIN DOC View Drop Down
Jack Charlton
Jack Charlton
Avatar
The F The F The FAI

Joined: 30 Jun 2009
Location: Abbottstown
Status: Offline
Points: 9155 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DUBLIN DOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 10:13am
Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

MM: Yeah, but I've had 970 games as a coach and as a manager, so I'd like to think that they would respect my knowledge on the game. I was given eight games to qualify for the Euros - not four years to bring players through - so those questions are nonsensical really. Should I play them instead of Jeff Hendrick who has been brilliant, and Conor (Hourihane) and Glenn (Whelan)? Because if I do, and we get beat, I can tell you the first question: "How could you play a debutant in a game against Georgia?"

So he's choosing not to play them because he's afraid he might get asked an awkward question after losing to Georgia? He deserves to be asked awkward questions if we lose to Georgia, so he shouldn't be basing his player selection on that. Like you could just as easily flip the scenario and say "why didn't you play Connolly" if we lose to Georgia with a team full of established (but less talented) players, couldn't you?

For me it kind of sums up everything that has been wrong with Irish managers' approach over the last decade, conservatism taken to the point that it becomes suffocating.

Yeah, he's fully concentrating on what questions he's likely to be asked and not concentrating on qualifying. 
LOL
Back to Top
Borussia View Drop Down
Roy Keane
Roy Keane
Avatar

Joined: 14 Oct 2010
Location: UK
Status: Offline
Points: 10781 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Borussia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 9:50am
Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

MM: Yeah, but I've had 970 games as a coach and as a manager, so I'd like to think that they would respect my knowledge on the game. I was given eight games to qualify for the Euros - not four years to bring players through - so those questions are nonsensical really. Should I play them instead of Jeff Hendrick who has been brilliant, and Conor (Hourihane) and Glenn (Whelan)? Because if I do, and we get beat, I can tell you the first question: "How could you play a debutant in a game against Georgia?"

So he's choosing not to play them because he's afraid he might get asked an awkward question after losing to Georgia? He deserves to be asked awkward questions if we lose to Georgia, so he shouldn't be basing his player selection on that. Like you could just as easily flip the scenario and say "why didn't you play Connolly" if we lose to Georgia with a team full of established (but less talented) players, couldn't you?

For me it kind of sums up everything that has been wrong with Irish managers' approach over the last decade, conservatism taken to the point that it becomes suffocating.

Yeah, he's fully concentrating on what questions he's likely to be asked and not concentrating on qualifying. 
Back to Top
The O'Shea View Drop Down
Jack Charlton
Jack Charlton
Avatar
I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong

Joined: 16 Aug 2013
Location: Ireland
Status: Offline
Points: 9584 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The O'Shea Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 9:48am
Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

MM: Yeah, but I've had 970 games as a coach and as a manager, so I'd like to think that they would respect my knowledge on the game. I was given eight games to qualify for the Euros - not four years to bring players through - so those questions are nonsensical really. Should I play them instead of Jeff Hendrick who has been brilliant, and Conor (Hourihane) and Glenn (Whelan)? Because if I do, and we get beat, I can tell you the first question: "How could you play a debutant in a game against Georgia?"

So he's choosing not to play them because he's afraid he might get asked an awkward question after losing to Georgia? He deserves to be asked awkward questions if we lose to Georgia, so he shouldn't be basing his player selection on that. Like you could just as easily flip the scenario and say "why didn't you play Connolly" if we lose to Georgia with a team full of established (but less talented) players, couldn't you?

For me it kind of sums up everything that has been wrong with Irish managers' approach over the last decade, conservatism taken to the point that it becomes suffocating.
We're decent enough..
Back to Top
Lenny82 View Drop Down
Liam Brady
Liam Brady


Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: Ireland
Status: Offline
Points: 2914 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lenny82 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 9:42am
Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

MM: Yeah, but I've had 970 games as a coach and as a manager, so I'd like to think that they would respect my knowledge on the game. I was given eight games to qualify for the Euros - not four years to bring players through - so those questions are nonsensical really. Should I play them instead of Jeff Hendrick who has been brilliant, and Conor (Hourihane) and Glenn (Whelan)? Because if I do, and we get beat, I can tell you the first question: "How could you play a debutant in a game against Georgia?"

Nail on the head.
Back to Top
horsebox View Drop Down
Robbie Keane
Robbie Keane
Avatar
Born n bred in darndale.

Joined: 03 Feb 2010
Location: Ireland
Status: Offline
Points: 34935 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote horsebox Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 9:39am
MM: Yeah, but I've had 970 games as a coach and as a manager, so I'd like to think that they would respect my knowledge on the game. I was given eight games to qualify for the Euros - not four years to bring players through - so those questions are nonsensical really. Should I play them instead of Jeff Hendrick who has been brilliant, and Conor (Hourihane) and Glenn (Whelan)? Because if I do, and we get beat, I can tell you the first question: "How could you play a debutant in a game against Georgia?"
It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me,
He wouldn't set me free,
So he kept me soul for ransom.
na na na na na na na na na
na na na na na na na na.
I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to
Back to Top
kearney304 View Drop Down
Liam Brady
Liam Brady
Avatar

Joined: 25 Feb 2014
Location: Cork
Status: Offline
Points: 1992 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kearney304 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 9:11am
Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Originally posted by mully_85 mully_85 wrote:

"Then the season started and I thought something would happen in the September (international) break. Nothing. Or something would happen in the October break. Nothing - well, there were offers from two or three lower-league clubs but I thought, 'No, I think my place is at least in the Championship."

Nothing against Mick personally as he is a nice guy, and that comes across in the interview, but the fact that at best it was only lower than the Championship clubs looking to take him on after Ipswich says a lot. 

Who said this 

That's him talking about getting offered the Sunderland job. 

Dunno what you've been reading. Confused

Up til now our current Manager's job wasn't under threat and while at Ipswich he described Sunderland as 'Trying to tow an oil tanker with a dingy" 

Mick's stock isn't high at all despite the overachievement at Ipswich, the fossil style of football he deployed at Ipswich and now at Ireland doesn't make him ideal, and he's always been the type who does better under severe budget restraints (Sunderland and Ipswich) rather than the chunks of money Championship clubs are now churning out (More than he spent at Wolves and he failed there) so he wouldn't be suited to today's era of Championship football

This is the paragraph - if he's not talking about the Sunderland job then it's badly written:

"And it was everywhere that I was getting the Sunderland job. Then the season started and I thought something would happen in the September (international) break. Nothing. Or something would happen in the October break. Nothing - well, there were offers from two or three lower-league clubs but I thought, 'No, I think my place is at least in the Championship.'
Back to Top
PaddyDaCulchie View Drop Down
Kevin Kilbane
Kevin Kilbane
Avatar

Joined: 28 Feb 2018
Location: Manchester
Status: Offline
Points: 476 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PaddyDaCulchie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 12:45am
Got Wolves promoted, kept them in top flight for few seasons and weren't in relegation zone when given the sack. Like Allardyce his teams not great to watch but hardly failure at Wolves. 
Back to Top
coyne View Drop Down
Paul McGrath
Paul McGrath
Avatar

Joined: 17 Aug 2013
Location: Sunderland
Status: Offline
Points: 15881 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote coyne Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 12:18am
Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Originally posted by mully_85 mully_85 wrote:

"Then the season started and I thought something would happen in the September (international) break. Nothing. Or something would happen in the October break. Nothing - well, there were offers from two or three lower-league clubs but I thought, 'No, I think my place is at least in the Championship."

Nothing against Mick personally as he is a nice guy, and that comes across in the interview, but the fact that at best it was only lower than the Championship clubs looking to take him on after Ipswich says a lot. 

Who said this 

That's him talking about getting offered the Sunderland job. 

Dunno what you've been reading. Confused

Up til now our current Manager's job wasn't under threat and while at Ipswich he described Sunderland as 'Trying to tow an oil tanker with a dingy" 

Mick's stock isn't high at all despite the overachievement at Ipswich, the fossil style of football he deployed at Ipswich and now at Ireland doesn't make him ideal, and he's always been the type who does better under severe budget restraints (Sunderland and Ipswich) rather than the chunks of money Championship clubs are now churning out (More than he spent at Wolves and he failed there) so he wouldn't be suited to today's era of Championship football
Back to Top
kearney304 View Drop Down
Liam Brady
Liam Brady
Avatar

Joined: 25 Feb 2014
Location: Cork
Status: Offline
Points: 1992 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kearney304 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2019 at 11:51pm
Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Originally posted by mully_85 mully_85 wrote:

"Then the season started and I thought something would happen in the September (international) break. Nothing. Or something would happen in the October break. Nothing - well, there were offers from two or three lower-league clubs but I thought, 'No, I think my place is at least in the Championship."

Nothing against Mick personally as he is a nice guy, and that comes across in the interview, but the fact that at best it was only lower than the Championship clubs looking to take him on after Ipswich says a lot. 

Who said this 

That's him talking about getting offered the Sunderland job. 
Back to Top
Roberto Baggio View Drop Down
Robbie Keane
Robbie Keane
Avatar
UNBELIEVABLE JEFF

Joined: 28 Jan 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 37394 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Roberto Baggio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2019 at 11:16pm
Originally posted by mully_85 mully_85 wrote:

"Then the season started and I thought something would happen in the September (international) break. Nothing. Or something would happen in the October break. Nothing - well, there were offers from two or three lower-league clubs but I thought, 'No, I think my place is at least in the Championship."

Nothing against Mick personally as he is a nice guy, and that comes across in the interview, but the fact that at best it was only lower than the Championship clubs looking to take him on after Ipswich says a lot. 

Who said this 
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 5051525354 104>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.00
Copyright ©2001-2018 Web Wiz Ltd.