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Just seen it there. Flores has a bit of quality needed for this level.
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Pity he waited until the 93rd minute to show it!
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Dundalk will be buzzing after wining the cup at the weekend.
Hopefully now with a bit of pressure off they can put in a good performance tonight with no silly mistakes. Arsenal are putting out a strong side tho. Hopefully they give the kids on the bench a run out so the score is not too bad. Arsenal to win 2-1.
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Talk of Rogers retiring.
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We are Shamrock Rovers we"re Irelands number 1 .
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Who designed the new jersey? Its woeful. You can't even see the sponsor properly on the front with the colour clash. What a disaster. Who sanctioned that ffs.
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The orange order by the looks of it.
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The nation holds it's breath...YES, WE'RE THERE!!!
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any word on were mountney is heading??
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Strange move....rovers packed out with midfielders so probably leaves him little to chose from down here...thought Sligo or Derry would of snapped him up,serious player.
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Interesting Read.
Interfering in selection and demanding a phone in the dugout - how
Dundalk's American dream turned into a nightmare The 12 Days of Christmas - Over the festive period,
we are making two of our best premium pieces from 2020 free for 24 hours every
day for you to enjoy. Here, Daniel McDonnell looks at Dundalk's US takeover
which was supposed to help reassert their position as standard-setters in Irish
football, but behind-the-scenes acrimony and absurdity is sending the club in
another direction August 29 2020 02:30 AM On
June 28 of last year, Dundalk went to Tallaght and scored a victory which was
the decisive moment in their fifth League of Ireland title win in the space of
six seasons. What
the jubilant travelling support didn't realise was that this was a night which
some around the club now view as the turning point of their recent history. The
presence in the ground of Bill Hulsizer, the father of Matt, the billionaire
co-founder of investment firm Peak6, was viewed as further evidence that the
club's US owners had become emotionally invested in the Dundalk project. With
the stars and stripes emblazoned across his T-shirt, Hulsizer Snr stood out in
the crowd, and was introduced to various club officials and some journalists
before a later trip to the dressing-room where there was a photo with the
victorious team. The
assumption was that this was a holiday and the welcome mat was rolled out in
the way you would expect if a powerful backer sent his parent to be
entertained. What
became apparent in the months that followed was that this was more of a
fact-finding mission for the genial Florida-based figure in his late 70s. By
the end of a season, which finished with an FAI Cup penalty shootout defeat to
Rovers, 'Matt's father' had become 'Bill' and was immersed in day-to-day
activities long before his formal appointment as chairman on December 28. Indeed,
he had favoured the treble-seekers boycotting the Aviva showpiece on account of
the furore around the suspension of midfielder Chris Shields which was
ultimately traced back to an admin error inside the club. Whispers There
were whispers at this point over whether the quirks of the fresh face might
turn out to be somewhat problematic. Dundalk
lifers had listened to warnings when the consortium led by Peak6 took over the
club in late 2017. Scepticism
was borne out of the belief that a private equity firm would view Dundalk as a
quick hit and head for the hills if they found that 2016's Europa League run
was hard to replicate. Previous
horror stories relating to League of Ireland clubs and overseas investors were
cited as evidence, the tales of faceless backers with questionable pedigrees
who promised money that didn't materialise or possibly never existed and left a
trail of debt behind. Dundalk's
backers are from another bracket altogether. In business terms, Matt Hulsizer
and his wife Jenny are the real deal, the brains who have built Peak6 into a
successful venture with the smarts to thrive rather than suffer in a recession.
The company will do well this year. They
socialise with the owners of elite sport teams in their Chicago locality and
Peak6 looked to expand their portfolio in that area. Considering they owned 25
per cent of Bournemouth, held a stake in Roma and tried to buy Ligue 1 side St
Etienne, Dundalk was a bargain-basement experiment, but the novelty it offered
was a greater degree of authority. Still,
the expectation was that it would be out of sight and out of mind. Hence
the appointment of Peak6 employee Mike Treacy as chairman, and the placing of
other reps on the board or in admin roles. But the Hulsizers quickly proved
they were not absentee owners with fixtures piped into the company HQ and the
family taking trips to Ireland to check out the surroundings. Delegating
responsibility to his father was suddenly bringing Dundalk business very close
to home, and this was interpreted as a major positive. Across
European trips to Riga and Baku for Champions League ties last year, club
officials spoke of the Hulsizer enthusiasm, and how it should be reassuring to
those who feared this would be a cold-hearted fling. Of
course, they wanted to make money, but if this was also keeping a beloved
family member happy - "a new lease of life" was a term used - then
this was no ordinary investment. There were unquantifiable sums to be factored
into any blunt assessment of profit and loss. Now,
there's a view forming around Oriel Park that it would be better if the money
men were more detached. Vinny
Perth's departure as manager was greeted with surprise externally, yet
internally it was just another twist in a traumatic period that has led to a
host of volunteers walking away and staff fearful about the club's trajectory,
wondering if they are now trapped in an alternative reality. The
latest development is that Martin Connolly, the only Irish-based board member,
is set to vacate his seat and has submitted his resignation as company
secretary. He remains the chief operating officer, but is considering his
future there. Italian
Filippo Giovagnoli (49), who has never managed at senior professional level,
arrived in bizarre circumstances earlier this week, and one of his first tasks
was repeatedly insisting that he would not tolerate boardroom interference in
team selection. Out
of nowhere, the dominant club of the last decade, the rising-from-the-ashes
story that provided Ireland with its next senior manager, has now become the
backdrop for what one insider has succinctly described as an
"omnishambles". How? *
* * * * Perth
started to clear his desk in Oriel Park two days before the Champions League
defeat to Celje last Wednesday week. He
knew the writing was on the wall, and has told people he should have walked
earlier. When
you're fighting a battle over whether a phone line should be installed in the
dugout so you can take calls from the US during games, then it's probably time
to go, even if you fend off that threat. If
Perth's side had prevailed in that Aviva penalty shoot-out against Rovers, he
would have joined Jim McLaughlin in the record books as a treble-winning boss.
He couldn't have envisaged being out of work nine months and just 10
competitive games later. Perth
was a Peak6 appointment, with Treacy in strong favour of maintaining continuity
when Stephen Kenny exited as part of John Delaney's hastily constructed
succession plan. The feeling within 24 hours of Kenny's departure was that the
culture which had sustained a trophy-laden era needed to be maintained. Giving
Perth the reins was accompanied by the promotion of former players Ruaidhrí
Higgins and Stephen O'Donnell to roles as assistant manager and opposition
analyst respectively. John Gill was also brought back to the club to comply with
Pro Licence badge requirements while Perth gained the qualifications. But
the plan unravelled. O'Donnell was viewed as a manager in waiting but was
coaxed away to become St Patrick's Athletic boss last August, while Kenny
returned to look for the highly rated Higgins in April when Covid-19 brought
forward his promotion. Perth
was the driver in bringing in Waterford manager Alan Reynolds, but the
combination of Perth (44), Gill (56) and Reynolds (46) was a drift from the
original plan to maintain a continuous link from the Kenny era. Higgins
was sorely missed. Sources have indicated that Higgins relished the chance to
be reunited with Kenny again because he enjoyed working under his style of
management. Perth
was previously a confidant for squad members, but he did suffer with some of
the awkwardness that can accompany a number two stepping up to number one. His
relationship with certain senior players did decline, with the stripping of the
captain's armband from Brian Gartland a bone of contention with the defender
who was also a part of Peak6's succession plans in an off-field business
capacity. Senior dressing-room figures also felt the manager was too concerned
about media coverage. But
the major issue for Perth surrounded recruitment and contracts and how that
began to affect the dynamic in a dressing-room that had traded off its strength
and unity. When
Hulsizer Snr got involved, there was an understanding on the ground that part
of his brief would be sourcing prospects from the US collegiate system to see
how they would fit into the Irish ladder. It
was also anticipated that he would look at infrastructure (a steering committee
exploring that area has stalled). The
sport is new to the chairman. He was eager to ask questions and tends to think
aloud, so reporting all of his remarks with a straight news bat would perhaps
be unfair. Passing
observations that goalkeeper Gary Rogers should take corners because he is the
cleanest striker of the ball, or Gartland should take throws because of a
background coaching basketball, were batted away. A
last-minute charge from the tip-off after falling behind to Rovers in the Cup
final led to an innocent query around whether players should have a code word
they could shout that would prompt a similar Braveheart-style charge at a point
in games. All
of these eccentricities were harmless enough when it seemed as though there was
no actual input in the football decision-making process. But
those stories are regaled with another tone now. And there's a debate around
how he suddenly got into the position where he could test acceptable barriers. Kenny
would never have tolerated the oddities, but then he was such a revered figure
around the club that the new owners were never going to take him on. The
outside view was that winning the league should have given Perth credit in the
bank, yet he also owed his big opportunity to Peak6. There
is sympathy in-house formed from the outlook that he was an extremely
hard-working employee who did try and shield players from external interruptions. Yet
the less generous take is that he was malleable because of insecurity around
his position. There
were things going on throughout his tenure that he perceived as a threat to his
authority. He
didn't see eye-to-eye with Andy Burton, the former Sky Sports reporter, when he
was brought in last year. Perth had the final say on player movements, but his
opinion was challenged and Burton was reporting back to the owners. Negotiations
around a contract for top scorer Pat Hoban became a sticking point. Perth was
strong on offering Hoban a new deal but there was resistance over the terms
from Burton. Burton
argued that a better striking option was needed for Europe and contract offers
should be tailored accordingly, but Perth pushed strongly to retain his top
scorer and got his way. Hulsizer became involved in the negotiations at a late
stage. Across
the course of this week, more than one established member of the 2019 group has
questioned if Burton's departure had downsides, much as he ruffled some
feathers. "Nobody
will agree with me," said one source, "but he kept America away from
the dressing-room, and he had a football mind. Vinny thought Andy would try and
replace him and Bill wouldn't." Few
tears were shed when Burton exited. Certainly, it was viewed internally as a
victory for Perth. More
significantly, Treacy also left at the end of the year, citing family reasons
in a statement. Several sources say that Treacy was not afraid to be firm with
the incoming chairman. Rightly
or wrongly, the view amongst the natives is that his absence has created an
unusual dynamic as challenging the elder Hulsizer on a particular issue is
complex when his son effectively pays the bills. Struggles There
is a theory that the struggles around filling the CEO post resulted in America
taking a more hands-on approach. Mal Brannigan and Mark Devlin were hired from
the UK scene and neither stayed longer than a year. Throughout
the winter, the chairman became Perth's main point of contact when it came to
approving pre-season trips and player deals. A direct line was established. In
the absence of any designated recruitment expert on staff, there was increased
prominence for Liam Carroll, a locally-based agent for Hoban, Chris Shields,
Seán Gannon and a number of other past or present Dundalk players. Carroll
has no role at the club but he was on the plane for the Celje match which
raised eyebrows; this gesture was interpreted as a thank you for some
assistance he has provided. It's
not unusual for a club to use an agent to activate deals on their behalf if
they want a particular player - even if he is not their client - and Carroll
has stepped into that void when required by Perth or the board. Multiple
sources have indicated that Carroll merely did what was asked of him by the
manager. What
it highlights is that a stated plan to spread the recruitment net wide never
really materialised in a coherent way. A
club with those resources should have a designated director for that area, but
what transpired was a more scattergun approach. Striker
Georgie Kelly was allowed to leave for St Patrick's Athletic on loan, but he's
effectively gone on a free transfer with his contract up at the end of the
year. If
Kelly had made 20 league starts for Dundalk, another year on his deal would
have been triggered. It's understood that he was told at one stage that an
American striker was lined up to replace him. Meanwhile,
injury-prone ex-USA winger Josh Gatt was drafted in on account of an interview
he gave to ESPN. He confirmed Bill Hulsizer was the driver of it. "He
just contacted me out of the blue and said, 'You seem like a guy who needs an
opportunity and I'm going to give you one'," Gatt told the 'Irish Daily
Mirror'. When
Gatt was signed, he was the subject of a profile piece in 'The Athletic' which
pleased the hierarchy. But
he has made a limited impact on the pitch. There have been calls for another
signing, English winger Nathan Oduwa, to play more. When
Jordan Flores couldn't agree a new deal there was a feeling he shouldn't
feature in the European tie, but Perth picked his own team, with injuries
meaning Flores was required. The
manager told pals he believed unhappy squad members or their representatives
were registering complaints above him. A
sideshow to all of this was the comings and goings of players from the US
collegiate system, an area Dundalk's investors consider an untapped well. Harvard
graduate Taner Dogan was brought in but is now out on loan with Athlone at the
bottom of the First Division. Another duo, Dane Lind and German Giammattei,
landed from Amherst College in the third tier of the NCAA system. The
Irish Independent contacted an experienced Irish coach working in that sphere
in the US who likens the NCAA Division III with junior football at home, and
said it would be "very, very surprising" if a player uncovered at
that level was anywhere near good enough. Matt Hulsizer is a graduate of
Amherst. There
were attempts to secure a move for one of the Amherst arrivals to Athlone to
join Dogan - Bill has apparently struck up a rapport with Athlone's chairman
John Hayden through league-wide talks - but deadlines had passed. Perth
was patient in his attempts to work harmoniously with the chairman, where
others would have taken a harder line. At
one point this even extended to the manager sending a diagram explaining the
difference between a number six, a number eight and a number 10 in terms of
midfield positions. Perth
has refused to deny that, latterly, there were firm opinions offered on what
team he should be selecting. "There was huge discussion at board level
about players that should be playing," he told RTÉ. The
lockdown was the point in the road where the influence from across the Atlantic
began to enter uncomfortable territory. People
at the club were receiving calls before and during the behind-closed-doors
games, but they weren't getting to the right people and the aborted chats about
a phone line in the dugout stemmed from there. "Vinny
allowed this to happen," argues one critic of the manager's role in
tolerating a crossing of the boundaries. But
there are supporters of Perth who would contend that he was managing an impossible
situation. Giovagnoli's
every move will be closely watched. By all accounts, the board are enthused by
him. "This
is only the beginning," said one staff member, in the aftermath of Perth's
(left) removal. "It's
the tip of the iceberg," argued another. "This is about
control." *
* * * * In
truth, there's another departure that insiders would view as even more
indicative of the general climate. Club secretary Colm Murphy, a volunteer
regarded as a steadying influence around the club, also took a step back in
recent weeks. The
exact reasons for his departure are unclear but he was known to be frustrated
by the extent to which a proposed friendly with Celtic in Scotland turned into
a farce. Covid-19
restrictions scuppered plans to go to Glasgow and take on Neil Lennon's side
because Dundalk's squad would have needed to quarantine for 14 days upon their
return, even though the club were willing to pay for extra tests and do
whatever was necessary to make the date. But
the regulations were never going to allow it. The
view on Stateside was that it was important for the brand that the Celtic game
went ahead, even if this had implications for their opening league game with St
Pat's. Club officials were urged to contact the Irish Government to query the
Covid restrictions. There was even a short-lived suggestion that the entire
squad could spend their 14-day isolation period in the team's training complex,
the Youth Development Centre, with bunkbeds installed for that purpose. Perth
is known to have considered his future around this time. The distracting
queries that were naturally dismissed were a drain on all involved. The
idea that the U-19 team would play against St Pat's was contemplated too.
Calling the game off was another proposal, but that would have needed the FAI's
and St Pat's approval. This
coincided with Georgie Kelly's adieu. He
went for St Pat's because of a desire to work with O'Donnell, yet the theory
around the club was that Bill's connection with the Inchicore club's owner
Garrett Kelleher may have helped. This
was another product of remote working and the attempts to get the league
restarted which meant there were matters involving Dundalk that weren't
immediately communicated to those operating on the ground there because of time
difference and other logistical complications. Kelleher
made headlines for his strong criticism of Gary Owens and Niall Quinn, and
Dundalk's senior administrator offered his two cents in a strongly worded
leaked mail to clubs where Bill said that: "Dundalk and myself have been
lied to, stolen from, insulted and disrespected by the FAI." Around
Abbotstown, Dundalk's chairman had already gained a reputation as a combative
character. The
approach for Higgins stirred old wounds surrounding Kenny's exit for the
Ireland job without compensation. Dundalk fought their corner this time and
Hulsizer secured around €40,000 which was good work. In
their dealings with the FAI, the Americans have made it known that they are in
better financial nick than the cash-strapped football body. This is true. What
emerged from this process was a claim from Hulsizer Snr that the FAI had come
looking for a seven-figure loan. The FAI have always declined to comment on how
that played out. Dundalk's
chair subsequently said that he had backers - independent of Peak6 - that were
looking at funding the FAI's proposed streaming service. Earlier
dialogue had centred around the American side taking part or all of the FAI's
stake in the Aviva Stadium. That
was never a runner, but the communication appeared to create confusion that
mystified willing dealmakers Stateside. It
is exasperation around the difficulties in trying to do things their way in
Ireland which has prompted rumours they might consider their future here,
rather than losses which are manageable in their eyes. Dundalk
recorded trading losses of €1.2m in 2019 but that is small change to Peak6 in
the context of shares they hold in global companies that could turn over that
amount in a day. What
must be acknowledged is that Peak6 have paid their players in full throughout
the pandemic, a contrast to what was unfolding elsewhere, and this is a
reminder that a well-paid squad cannot distance themselves from blame for their
slump much as there have been unsettling occurrences. More
than dozen are out of contract, and vultures are circling. This is where the
short-term nature of the Italian job is problematic. Around the League of
Ireland, a Dundalk offer was craved but now there's a question mark around the
environment. Rival
clubs who feared the border outfit had the muscle to live up to the American
commitment to win the league every year simply cannot believe their luck. They
are enjoying the slapstick tales that are circulating. In
Dundalk, gallows humour is being used to mask anger and sadness too, a sense of
helplessness around how quickly it has all unravelled. Supporters are aghast,
but behind-closed-doors games mean they have no vehicle for their concerns
other than online forums. The
statement confirming the Giovagnoli news included a quote from Bill that
finished with a cheery 'C'mon The Town!', a popular shout from the Oriel Park
terraces. It was incongruous in the context of the unease that is now felt.
There have been apologetic messages sent back from former board members that
are known to be upset by what has unfolded. Lingered The
idea of the Americans pulling out has always lingered as a prospective
nightmare scenario, especially after deflating European results, yet there are
wise heads openly debating whether it would actually be the best-case scenario
if the current situation doesn't change. Earlier
this week, Simon Blackmore, the club's licensing officer until he joined the
list of helpers to walk away, tweeted how a Peak6 representative had once told
him that the plan with Dundalk was "to improve their image as football
people" so they could invest in multiple clubs. "Made
little sense then," he wrote, "now they are a laughing stock, it
makes even less." Worried
staff are wondering if there is any way for their concerns to be heard.
"This is affecting people's lives here," asserts one. Will
the message be taken on board? "I
look at Dundalk FC as my extended family," said Bill back in a
wide-ranging May interview with 'The Argus' that went in a range of directions.
Winning the Champions League was mentioned. "If
Peak6 decided tomorrow that we'll sell the club, the club will not disappear.
Now, are we looking at selling it? No. "Don't
think about what happens if Peak6 run away. That doesn't matter because Dundalk
is here to stay and they will continue to set the standard for the league. "What
I do know is, we're the best team in Ireland right now. And if and when we
aren't the best team in Ireland, we have two choices: fire the coach and get
new players or sell the team. I would probably say that we'll get new players
and try to figure out how to be the best team again because that's our nature. "There
are too many variables at this stage to say exactly what is going to happen
regarding the future." Right
now, the wild-card variable is the whims of the owners. And the only standard
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Ulster Champions 2020 our 40th Title. Take that all ye Moanaghan ***ts!
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Dundalk lose Dane Massey and sign Raivis Andris Jurkovskis whose some Latvian international.
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Very interesting read by McDonnell there on Dundalk and Peak 6. Things could unravel there quite quickly if they get off to another poor start whenever the league resumes, even though their unlikely to plummet as much as Cork
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Offering up to €1million for a new keeper
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