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 Posted: 21 Mar 2019 at 8:48pm |
 eireland wrote:
cildaratown wrote:
Declan is a w**ker he wears the w**kers hat
He had three caps for Ireland, he didn’t fancy that
Instead he plays for England, but said up the RA
f**k you Declan, we didn’t need you anyway |
Instead he plays for England, to betray his Da,
f**k you Declan, we know you love the RA. |
Instead he plays for England, so he betrayed his Da,
F**k you Declan Rice, we know you love the RA.
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Posted: 21 Mar 2019 at 8:50pm |
pre Madonna wrote:
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The question of National identity is all well and good ......but in regards footballers when you throw in ambition and for want of a better word greed, it's a whole other ball game .....the comparison to an 'ordinary' person with an Irish granny is quite far way removed
The fact of the matter is if Will Keane for example had carved out a career at Man Utd he would not now be coming cap in hand to little ol Ireland .....and we're going to see more of it, the like of Grealish/Rice and those coming the opposite way because they weren't quite as good as hoped |
But he his an ordinary person with an Irish parent, he just happens to be good(no laughing) at football. You are correct that greed is a factor, but that isn't the player's fault. You can't blame the failings of modern football on Will Keane. He may not have played for us if he was starting for Manchester United, but he isn't. Keane, Grealish, Rice and all the others, past, present and future, are all Irish and were all eligible to be picked. Once eligibility has been established, ability should be the only criterion for being picked.
I would also question the use of the word 'ambition', especially in this particular instance. I can't imagine a few caps for a poor Irish team is suddenly going to catapult him back into the radar of EPL managers. The simple reality is he wants to play for the land of his dad. Now, may well be that he leaned more to his English identity, which still smacks of thought-crime, but also, as you have said yourself, the zeitgeist of greed means it is difficult to ascertain if these possible leanings were motivated by English pride or financial gain. T |
The use of the word ambition was more aimed at the likes of Grealish and Rice......as for your last point, do you not have a problem with that at all? I'm sure I'm not alone in getting sick of it......something has got to change in the rules
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Posted: 21 Mar 2019 at 8:50pm |
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Everybody stop being so Ricist please.
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Posted: 21 Mar 2019 at 8:55pm |
gazurtoids wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
gazurtoids wrote:
The question of National identity is all well and good ......but in regards footballers when you throw in ambition and for want of a better word greed, it's a whole other ball game .....the comparison to an 'ordinary' person with an Irish granny is quite far way removed
The fact of the matter is if Will Keane for example had carved out a career at Man Utd he would not now be coming cap in hand to little ol Ireland .....and we're going to see more of it, the like of Grealish/Rice and those coming the opposite way because they weren't quite as good as hoped |
But he his an ordinary person with an Irish parent, he just happens to be good(no laughing) at football. You are correct that greed is a factor, but that isn't the player's fault. You can't blame the failings of modern football on Will Keane. He may not have played for us if he was starting for Manchester United, but he isn't. Keane, Grealish, Rice and all the others, past, present and future, are all Irish and were all eligible to be picked. Once eligibility has been established, ability should be the only criterion for being picked.
I would also question the use of the word 'ambition', especially in this particular instance. I can't imagine a few caps for a poor Irish team is suddenly going to catapult him back into the radar of EPL managers. The simple reality is he wants to play for the land of his dad. Now, may well be that he leaned more to his English identity, which still smacks of thought-crime, but also, as you have said yourself, the zeitgeist of greed means it is difficult to ascertain if these possible leanings were motivated by English pride or financial gain. T |
The use of the word ambition was more aimed at the likes of Grealish and Rice......as for your last point, do you not have a problem with that at all? I'm sure I'm not alone in getting sick of it......something has got to change in the rules |
Sick of what? Someone with Irish nationality wanting to play for Ireland? I find it odd that people have a problem with that.
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Posted: 21 Mar 2019 at 9:04pm |
pre Madonna wrote:
gazurtoids wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
gazurtoids wrote:
The question of National identity is all well and good ......but in regards footballers when you throw in ambition and for want of a better word greed, it's a whole other ball game .....the comparison to an 'ordinary' person with an Irish granny is quite far way removed
The fact of the matter is if Will Keane for example had carved out a career at Man Utd he would not now be coming cap in hand to little ol Ireland .....and we're going to see more of it, the like of Grealish/Rice and those coming the opposite way because they weren't quite as good as hoped |
But he his an ordinary person with an Irish parent, he just happens to be good(no laughing) at football. You are correct that greed is a factor, but that isn't the player's fault. You can't blame the failings of modern football on Will Keane. He may not have played for us if he was starting for Manchester United, but he isn't. Keane, Grealish, Rice and all the others, past, present and future, are all Irish and were all eligible to be picked. Once eligibility has been established, ability should be the only criterion for being picked.
I would also question the use of the word 'ambition', especially in this particular instance. I can't imagine a few caps for a poor Irish team is suddenly going to catapult him back into the radar of EPL managers. The simple reality is he wants to play for the land of his dad. Now, may well be that he leaned more to his English identity, which still smacks of thought-crime, but also, as you have said yourself, the zeitgeist of greed means it is difficult to ascertain if these possible leanings were motivated by English pride or financial gain. T |
The use of the word ambition was more aimed at the likes of Grealish and Rice......as for your last point, do you not have a problem with that at all? I'm sure I'm not alone in getting sick of it......something has got to change in the rules |
Sick of what? Someone with Irish nationality wanting to play for Ireland? I find it odd that people have a problem with that. |
Ok I give up you win! sick of players changing their mind because they're not quite good enough....he had Irish Nationality when his brother was playing underage for us (see stepping stone) ....he was not interested ......that's what people have a problem with
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Posted: 21 Mar 2019 at 9:12pm |
gazurtoids wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
gazurtoids wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
gazurtoids wrote:
The question of National identity is all well and good ......but in regards footballers when you throw in ambition and for want of a better word greed, it's a whole other ball game .....the comparison to an 'ordinary' person with an Irish granny is quite far way removed
The fact of the matter is if Will Keane for example had carved out a career at Man Utd he would not now be coming cap in hand to little ol Ireland .....and we're going to see more of it, the like of Grealish/Rice and those coming the opposite way because they weren't quite as good as hoped |
But he his an ordinary person with an Irish parent, he just happens to be good(no laughing) at football. You are correct that greed is a factor, but that isn't the player's fault. You can't blame the failings of modern football on Will Keane. He may not have played for us if he was starting for Manchester United, but he isn't. Keane, Grealish, Rice and all the others, past, present and future, are all Irish and were all eligible to be picked. Once eligibility has been established, ability should be the only criterion for being picked.
I would also question the use of the word 'ambition', especially in this particular instance. I can't imagine a few caps for a poor Irish team is suddenly going to catapult him back into the radar of EPL managers. The simple reality is he wants to play for the land of his dad. Now, may well be that he leaned more to his English identity, which still smacks of thought-crime, but also, as you have said yourself, the zeitgeist of greed means it is difficult to ascertain if these possible leanings were motivated by English pride or financial gain. T |
The use of the word ambition was more aimed at the likes of Grealish and Rice......as for your last point, do you not have a problem with that at all? I'm sure I'm not alone in getting sick of it......something has got to change in the rules |
Sick of what? Someone with Irish nationality wanting to play for Ireland? I find it odd that people have a problem with that. |
Ok I give up you win!
sick of players changing their mind because they're not quite good enough....he had Irish Nationality when his brother was playing underage for us (see stepping stone) ....he was not interested ......that's what people have a problem with |
So you would prefer if he didn't declare, he shouldn't be allowed represent the country that provided half the genitalia that made him because it annoys you? I don't understand why it annoys people so much, but I have a suspicion that it is because it is England. People will protest that they would be the same if it was any country, but I don't think so. I think the 'exotic' novelty factor would also play a part. Anyway, were they to change the rules to only being eligible for the nation you were born in, it would be much more unfair all round.
Be thankful if this is the sort of thing you are really sick of, things aren't going too bad for ya!
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Posted: 21 Mar 2019 at 9:26pm |
pre Madonna wrote:
gazurtoids wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
gazurtoids wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
gazurtoids wrote:
The question of National identity is all well and good ......but in regards footballers when you throw in ambition and for want of a better word greed, it's a whole other ball game .....the comparison to an 'ordinary' person with an Irish granny is quite far way removed
The fact of the matter is if Will Keane for example had carved out a career at Man Utd he would not now be coming cap in hand to little ol Ireland .....and we're going to see more of it, the like of Grealish/Rice and those coming the opposite way because they weren't quite as good as hoped |
But he his an ordinary person with an Irish parent, he just happens to be good(no laughing) at football. You are correct that greed is a factor, but that isn't the player's fault. You can't blame the failings of modern football on Will Keane. He may not have played for us if he was starting for Manchester United, but he isn't. Keane, Grealish, Rice and all the others, past, present and future, are all Irish and were all eligible to be picked. Once eligibility has been established, ability should be the only criterion for being picked.
I would also question the use of the word 'ambition', especially in this particular instance. I can't imagine a few caps for a poor Irish team is suddenly going to catapult him back into the radar of EPL managers. The simple reality is he wants to play for the land of his dad. Now, may well be that he leaned more to his English identity, which still smacks of thought-crime, but also, as you have said yourself, the zeitgeist of greed means it is difficult to ascertain if these possible leanings were motivated by English pride or financial gain. T |
The use of the word ambition was more aimed at the likes of Grealish and Rice......as for your last point, do you not have a problem with that at all? I'm sure I'm not alone in getting sick of it......something has got to change in the rules |
Sick of what? Someone with Irish nationality wanting to play for Ireland? I find it odd that people have a problem with that. |
Ok I give up you win!
sick of players changing their mind because they're not quite good enough....he had Irish Nationality when his brother was playing underage for us (see stepping stone) ....he was not interested ......that's what people have a problem with |
So you would prefer if he didn't declare, he shouldn't be allowed represent the country that provided half the genitalia that made him because it annoys you? I don't understand why it annoys people so much, but I have a suspicion that it is because it is England. People will protest that they would be the same if it was any country, but I don't think so. I think the 'exotic' novelty factor would also play a part. Anyway, were they to change the rules to only being eligible for the nation you were born in, it would be much more unfair all round.
Be thankful if this is the sort of thing you are really sick of, things aren't going too bad for ya! |
There has to be a cut off point ....21 yrs of age seems fair enough, Will Keane is a 26 yr old man who's suddenly found his Irishness, down the bottom of the Championship apparently I'm not questioning his identity as a person don't know the fella or anyone else......in regards football which is what we're concerned with, I am
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Posted: 21 Mar 2019 at 10:19pm |
Bad form from the gutter media.
Rice's comments were never official, they were purely provisional. (Like his commitment to Ireland.)
Edited by Terzino - 21 Mar 2019 at 10:20pm
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Posted: 21 Mar 2019 at 10:36pm |
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Gentlemen, I am Declan's Uncle Ben. I am here to put the record straight and assure you there isn't a grain of truth to the Rice story. It's just the Irish press stirring the pot to make life uncomfortable for him with England. He had steam coming out of his ears over this and things threatened to boil over into a defamation case. Rice is definitely proud to be in white. He always wanted to be a number 6. Nothing is going to take-away that from him.
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Posted: 21 Mar 2019 at 11:42pm |
You surrendered You surrendered YOU SURRENDERED TO THE IRA
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Posted: 22 Mar 2019 at 12:07am |
We know you lie through your teeth Declan Rice, We know you lie through your teeth all day, We know you lie through your teeth declan rice, But you love the IRA.
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Posted: 22 Mar 2019 at 12:24am |
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Na na na na na na na na na na
Na na na na na na na na na na
Na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na
Ra head Ri-ce wants to f**k the queen
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Posted: 22 Mar 2019 at 12:45am |
Decco Rice is a very confused man can't decide if he loves the Queen or his Irish nan he said up the Ra but he was only a kid but that after all wasn't the worst thing he did said he played underage for the Irish team three full caps forgotten in the haze of a Bobby Moore dream
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Posted: 22 Mar 2019 at 1:51am |
who was the player who scored against Liverpool and the rabid fans dug through 6 years of social media posts?
This was probably the work of some Irish Liverpool fan sat in his mum's spare room
good on Southgate for shrugging it off. Who honestly gives a f**k now
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Posted: 22 Mar 2019 at 2:12am |
Jimmy Raggatip wrote:
who was the player who scored against Liverpool and the rabid fans dug through 6 years of social media posts?
This was probably the work of some Irish Liverpool fan sat in his mum's spare room
good on Southgate for shrugging it off. Who honestly gives a f**k now |
That just confirms Southgate is a member of the RA.
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Posted: 22 Mar 2019 at 5:12am |
Imagine he was booed by his own fans on his home debut, now that would be amazing.
His blatant disregard for the 3 caps he took away from our other players has changed my opinion of him completely.
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Posted: 22 Mar 2019 at 6:56am |
Will he start tonight?
I would think it’s between him and Dier to play alongside Hendo. I doubt the fans will boo him. He’s West Ham innit.
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Posted: 22 Mar 2019 at 7:35am |
Jimmy Raggatip wrote:
who was the player who scored against Liverpool and the rabid fans dug through 6 years of social media posts?
This was probably the work of some Irish Liverpool fan sat in his mum's spare room
good on Southgate for shrugging it off. Who honestly gives a f**k now |
Seeing as though England fans constantly sing about their dislike of the IRA, I'm sure they will give a f**k.
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