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Originally posted by thebronze14 thebronze14 wrote:

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Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

It's an effin joke Andy. Decades of screwing up the health service has finally come home to roost with this pandemic. If HSE was in any way fit for service we wouldn't need to have such a long lock down. 

Countries with far better health systems than ours have had worse death rates than us.  

Reading social media and many aspects of the media you would think that Ireland is one of the worst performers in the world.  As Murph told me bad news sells and he is right. 

The media has been a disgrace during this. The likes of George Lee on a couple of weeks ago for example blaming pubs and restaurants for the numbers not going down enough at the moment! Totally farcical. Continually having doom pedlars on that have been completely off the mark with their predictions...RE social media, I wonder what our response would been like 12 years ago before social media properly took off. I think it looks embarassing for the country if we become the only one of the hosts to pull out now despite our low incidence and hospital rates. The only plus side is that JD used to sh*te on about getting the Euros here and now they won't be staged hereLOL
our low hospital and incidence rate is because of the harsh lockdown and the reason for the harsh lockdown is to do with the fact our health service is in a dreadful state. the country has one of the lowest numbers of icu beds per 100k and yet we have one of the highest costs per patient. its symptomatic of a dysfunctional health service. the government know they can't open up as it would lead to the health service becoming overwhelmed. 

while it is disappointing, and i am pissed about it, giving up hosting it in dublin is the right thing to do. it didn't have to happen though is my point i.e had we a properly run health service.
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There is more to it than just the health services capacity. Lower hospital numbers and incidence rates are also influenced by the, albeit slow, vaccination rates. People are also more educated on virus transmission and as a result are taking greater precautions including the use of masks. Lockdown is a vital part of it, but it only can do so much any more, as I think the issue of community transmission needs to be examined, and in truth, the likelihood is there are a great number of responsible people who are not mixing, and are abiding by the rules, and those that aren't. Also, there is a lot of focus on things like international travel, which seems not to have the impacts that people conjecture.

The media, and social media ought to be scrutinised, as it is playing a major part in the paralysis of the creation of a roadmap. Government doesnt necessarily want to be seen making decisions on its own (outsourcing to others allows them to point fingers), and there is now a number of political footballs on the field including things like Zero Covid, vaccine prioritisation, hotel quarantine, which are deflections. But these are certainly getting an airing on Twitter, and it does seem like Ireland sometimes is run by what people on social media say.
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I don't know what the rules are, if any, about access to vaccines outside of the EU block sourcing scheme. But it's not one of the areas I think I'd give the government a pass on. 

Denmark gets mentioned a lot, and Prime Time covered it about two weeks ago and I only saw their figures as fractionally better than Ireland's at the time it was aired. This link today says they have vaccinated 10% so about the same as Ireland https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/denmark/
Austria bought 1m of the Russian Sputnik vaccine but they can't use it until the EMA approves it. So what happens if the EMA doesn't approve it? The Austrian government will look clueless if that happened. 



 
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

It's such an Irish thing to vote for a party because your parents voted for them !
Yeah that's fairly standard.

In the states you are born Democrat or Republican

In UK you're born Labour or Tory
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That's the ideal why Labour lost the working class. According to Peter Mandelson, at least, the working class had nowhere to go, so they needed to appeal beyond that. ****s.
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I'm glad my mother went into Labour I don't like to think what would have happend if she went into Tory with me
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

It's such an Irish thing to vote for a party because your parents voted for them !

Recent results would suggest people are definitely breaking away from that. However, what is happening is that people are voting for other parties that have pilfered the FF/FG playbook by offering the sun the moon and the stars, not explaining how they will achieve it, leveraging the anger at the establishment, and pointing towards 'change' when the reality is you'll either get more of the same in Government, or you get the party of opposition that is not truly interested in government, or is open about it being. a party of opposition.
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Originally posted by Artie Ziff Artie Ziff wrote:

I don't know what the rules are, if any, about access to vaccines outside of the EU block sourcing scheme. But it's not one of the areas I think I'd give the government a pass on. 

Denmark gets mentioned a lot, and Prime Time covered it about two weeks ago and I only saw their figures as fractionally better than Ireland's at the time it was aired. This link today says they have vaccinated 10% so about the same as Ireland https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/denmark/
Austria bought 1m of the Russian Sputnik vaccine but they can't use it until the EMA approves it. So what happens if the EMA doesn't approve it? The Austrian government will look clueless if that happened. 
 
the austrians don't need the ema to approve it. they can grant authorisation themselves. in the short term it may impact on the so-called vaccine passport the eu are looking into but the ema will probably approve the vaccine in the coming month or so anyway making that issue redundant. the hungarians have been distributing it to every man and his dog since february and would you blame them given the turmoil that country has gone through. 
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

It's such an Irish thing to vote for a party because your parents voted for them !

Recent results would suggest people are definitely breaking away from that. However, what is happening is that people are voting for other parties that have pilfered the FF/FG playbook by offering the sun the moon and the stars, not explaining how they will achieve it, leveraging the anger at the establishment, and pointing towards 'change' when the reality is you'll either get more of the same in Government, or you get the party of opposition that is not truly interested in government, or is open about it being. a party of opposition.

which is a dangerous road to go down as sooner or later a far right maggot will appear promising sunlit uplands as the british would say. there's a residue of them about. it wouldn't take much for them to get a foothold.
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Originally posted by Artie Ziff Artie Ziff wrote:


Austria bought 1m of the Russian Sputnik vaccine but they can't use it until the EMA approves it. So what happens if the EMA doesn't approve it? The Austrian government will look clueless if that happened. 


Why is this?

I asked this before as it was mentioned elsewhere that Ireland need to look beyond the EU (Russia,US or Israel) to source vaccines.

     
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if they use it before it’s approved they would have to indemnify the manufacturers much the same as Boris did when the Uk started using az

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Originally posted by sausy sausy wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

It's such an Irish thing to vote for a party because your parents voted for them !
 
only logical that your parents would raise you based on their principles & views and that you in turn would see the world in the same way and vote the same way. Then grow up, cop on and realise that it's all a load of bollix.
 
If I have kids they'll be told from a young age the time FG TD Olivia Mitchel put a campaign poster up at the crossroads in Ballyroan blocking the filter light for turning left and causing much anger. I'm not one to hold a grudge but I remind people of this a good few times a year.
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Such an important milestone to hit.

Looks like it is predominantly Pfizer being rolled out by GP's to the over 70s. When they get to the 65-69 age bracket, does anyone know if that is likely to change?

The reason I ask is my mother and father in law have been really stressed and anxious about Covid from day 1. He is early 70s and got his first dose of Pfizer last week, with 2nd dose to follow in 4 weeks time. Massive weight off his shoulders but someone told him that his wife, late 60s, will get AZ and there'll be 12 weeks between both doses, and now he is stressed and anxious again!
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Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Originally posted by Artie Ziff Artie Ziff wrote:

I don't know what the rules are, if any, about access to vaccines outside of the EU block sourcing scheme. But it's not one of the areas I think I'd give the government a pass on. 

Denmark gets mentioned a lot, and Prime Time covered it about two weeks ago and I only saw their figures as fractionally better than Ireland's at the time it was aired. This link today says they have vaccinated 10% so about the same as Ireland https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/denmark/
Austria bought 1m of the Russian Sputnik vaccine but they can't use it until the EMA approves it. So what happens if the EMA doesn't approve it? The Austrian government will look clueless if that happened. 
 
the austrians don't need the ema to approve it. they can grant authorisation themselves. in the short term it may impact on the so-called vaccine passport the eu are looking into but the ema will probably approve the vaccine in the coming month or so anyway making that issue redundant. the hungarians have been distributing it to every man and his dog since february and would you blame them given the turmoil that country has gone through. 

That's an assumption. I'm only going off an article or two I've read myself so my understanding is yes they can approve it themselves but they don't want to go over the heads of the EMA. The EU is meant to be a partnership so if every country decides to go off on solo runs it undermines the whole thing. 

Why are you using Hungary as an example? The country is run Orban a right wing semi dictator 
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by Artie Ziff Artie Ziff wrote:


Austria bought 1m of the Russian Sputnik vaccine but they can't use it until the EMA approves it. So what happens if the EMA doesn't approve it? The Austrian government will look clueless if that happened. 


Why is this?

I asked this before as it was mentioned elsewhere that Ireland need to look beyond the EU (Russia,US or Israel) to source vaccines.


I don't think there is anything stopping any country other than we are all part of the EU and we work as a whole for the better of everyone. The vaccines roll out is one such example where it has gone badly awry. I'd imagine the governments of Europe are just been patient and hoping it improves 
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