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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

So Keane isn't a clutch player   

Goa in 2002 world cup playoff v Iran to take us through  

3 goals at world cup including last min v Germany and again last min v Spain 

Goal at home against Yugpslavia in huge home game  goal
 
Goal in world cup playoff v France in 2009. 

Last min goal v Italy in world cup qualifier 

Goal against Turkey in 1999 in euro 2000 playoff 

Goal v Estonia in 2011 playoff for euro 2012. 


That is not mention the qualification goals v Holland and Russia Sweden and Israel. 

So sorry dots you are talking rubbish  



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Originally posted by Dots1982 Dots1982 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

So Keane isn't a clutch player   

Goa in 2002 world cup playoff v Iran to take us through  

3 goals at world cup including last min v Germany and again last min v Spain 

Goal at home against Yugpslavia in huge home game  goal
 
Goal in world cup playoff v France in 2009. 

Last min goal v Italy in world cup qualifier 

Goal against Turkey in 1999 in euro 2000 playoff 

Goal v Estonia in 2011 playoff for euro 2012. 


That is not mention the qualification goals v Holland and Russia Sweden and Israel. 

So sorry dots you are talking rubbish  



Poor enough record in qualifiers vs 1st and 2nd seeds was what I said. Gave the list of rival group teams he blanked against.  Also what I said was he didn’t score he didn’t contribute much. It’s not an outrageous view. 


He had a great record of scoring in playoffs when we got there.

we didn’t qualify for anything during his peak years. If Richie Sadlier had being able to fill in for Niall Quinn then we could have made it to at least one more championships. Clinton Morrison and Robbie had no relationship on the field and it cost us.Unfortunately fate didn’t smile on Sadlier with injuries.

He never scored competitively vs Russia by the way.

Define "poor enough"; who are you benchmarking him against? I'd venture to say that Keane has more goals against 1st and 2nd seeds than any other Irish player in the history of our national team (and by a considerable distance too). Therefore, by definition, his record would be the very opposite of "poor enough".
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Dots you said he wasn't a clutch player.   He did it when it mattered.   His goals record is unbelievable.  Is is the very definition of a clutch player for Ireland.   During the Kerr era he wasn't as good as other times.  

Bigging  long up and knocking Keane is madness.   Its amazing how someone's likeability off the pitch means they are not as criticised as much as legends whose off the field persona is not as likeable.  
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Dots you said he wasn't a clutch player.   He did it when it mattered.   His goals record is unbelievable.  Is is the very definition of a clutch player for Ireland.   During the Kerr era he wasn't as good as other times.  

Bigging  long up and knocking Keane is madness.   Its amazing how someone's likeability off the pitch means they are not as criticised as much as legends whose off the field persona is not as likeable.  

I’m not really bigging long up, just comparing them. Long’s 2 goals in qualifying were huge in getting us to 2016. keane’s 2 goals in qualifying/playoffs were huge in getting us to 2002. Keane wasn’t a clutch player in qualifying groups games vs rivals enough but he did the business in playoffs and was clutch on those occasions. In the tightest group we were ever in vs Israel, France and the Swiss he scored one goal against those teams. 

Repeating myself ..He struggled in my opinion without a target man which wasn’t his fault. 


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#UEFA just published that if the upcoming #NationsLeague matches cannot be played due to COVID and it's unclear who is to blame for that, "the outcome of the match will be decided by drawing of lots (i.e. win 1-0, loss 0-1 or draw 0-0)."



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Think the spastic list needs to be rewritten and Dots1982 should become honorary President.
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Originally posted by Dots1982 Dots1982 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Dots you said he wasn't a clutch player.   He did it when it mattered.   His goals record is unbelievable.  Is is the very definition of a clutch player for Ireland.   During the Kerr era he wasn't as good as other times.  

Bigging  long up and knocking Keane is madness.   Its amazing how someone's likeability off the pitch means they are not as criticised as much as legends whose off the field persona is not as likeable.  

I’m not really bigging long up, just comparing them. Long’s 2 goals in qualifying were huge in getting us to 2016. keane’s 2 goals in qualifying/playoffs were huge in getting us to 2002. Keane wasn’t a clutch player in qualifying groups games vs rivals enough but he did the business in playoffs and was clutch on those occasions. In the tightest group we were ever in vs Israel, France and the Swiss he scored one goal against those teams. 

Repeating myself ..He struggled in my opinion without a target man which wasn’t his fault. 


In terms of matches against direct competitors.

Didn't score against Switzerland or Russia in the previous campaign (2004). Didn't score against Czech Republic, Germany or Slovakia in the following campaign (2008), scoring only in a dead rubber against Wales.

These were barren years.
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Originally posted by Sham157 Sham157 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Yiksheemash Yiksheemash wrote:

Think the spastic list needs to be rewritten and Dots1982 should become honorary President.
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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by Sham157 Sham157 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Yiksheemash Yiksheemash wrote:

Think the spastic list needs to be rewritten and Dots1982 should become honorary President.
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Dots you said he wasn't a clutch player.   He did it when it mattered.   His goals record is unbelievable.  Is is the very definition of a clutch player for Ireland.   During the Kerr era he wasn't as good as other times.  

Bigging  long up and knocking Keane is madness.   Its amazing how someone's likeability off the pitch means they are not as criticised as much as legends whose off the field persona is not as likeable.  

Spot on. 

Keane scored against some of the best teams in the world when it mattered. 

I don't think any of us will ever see his goal record broken which is absolutely astonishing given the technical limitations of the Ireland teams Keane played in over the years. 


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Is the team flying out this evening or tomorrow? 

I assume there's a time restriction on how long they can be in Bulgaria is there? 
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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Is the team flying out this evening or tomorrow? 

I assume there's a time restriction on how long they can be in Bulgaria is there? 

Tonight I believe.
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Originally posted by Dots1982 Dots1982 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

So Keane isn't a clutch player   

Goa in 2002 world cup playoff v Iran to take us through  

3 goals at world cup including last min v Germany and again last min v Spain 

Goal at home against Yugpslavia in huge home game  goal
 
Goal in world cup playoff v France in 2009. 

Last min goal v Italy in world cup qualifier 

Goal against Turkey in 1999 in euro 2000 playoff 

Goal v Estonia in 2011 playoff for euro 2012. 


That is not mention the qualification goals v Holland and Russia Sweden and Israel. 

So sorry dots you are talking rubbish  





Poor enough record in qualifiers vs 1st and 2nd seeds was what I said. Gave the list of rival group teams he blanked against.  Also what I said was he didn’t score he didn’t contribute much. It’s not an outrageous view. 


He had a great record of scoring in playoffs when we got there.

we didn’t qualify for anything during his peak years. If Richie Sadlier had being able to fill in for Niall Quinn then we could have made it to at least one more championships. Clinton Morrison and Robbie had no relationship on the field and it cost us.Unfortunately fate didn’t smile on Sadlier with injuries.

He never scored competitively vs Russia by the way.


No you didn't you said "His record in qualifying in group games vs 1st, 2nd and 3rd seeds wasn’t the best"

You just appear to be making stuff, moving the goal posts to discredit Keane and his goals.

In my response below - he scored 34 goals against the these teams -
https://forum.ybig.ie/bulgaria-match-thread_topic57536_page28.html


Yet, you move on again to Long and big up 2 of this goals in a 13 year period.

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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Is the team flying out this evening or tomorrow? 

I assume there's a time restriction on how long they can be in Bulgaria is there? 

Tonight I believe.

Saw an FAI tweet showing em hit the airport.
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Originally posted by Sham157 Sham157 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Yiksheemash Yiksheemash wrote:

Think the spastic list needs to be rewritten and Dots1982 should become honorary President.
Surely this is ban number 447?
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Originally posted by Double Maxim Double Maxim wrote:

Originally posted by Sham157 Sham157 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Yiksheemash Yiksheemash wrote:

Think the spastic list needs to be rewritten and Dots1982 should become honorary President.
Surely this is ban number 447?
Indeed it is. Horrible term and one he has used recently on another thread and was warned about. Slainte 🖕
 

Absolutely I work with people with special needs and that word is unacceptable.


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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by Dots1982 Dots1982 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

So Keane isn't a clutch player   

Goa in 2002 world cup playoff v Iran to take us through  

3 goals at world cup including last min v Germany and again last min v Spain 

Goal at home against Yugpslavia in huge home game  goal
 
Goal in world cup playoff v France in 2009. 

Last min goal v Italy in world cup qualifier 

Goal against Turkey in 1999 in euro 2000 playoff 

Goal v Estonia in 2011 playoff for euro 2012. 


That is not mention the qualification goals v Holland and Russia Sweden and Israel. 

So sorry dots you are talking rubbish  





Poor enough record in qualifiers vs 1st and 2nd seeds was what I said. Gave the list of rival group teams he blanked against.  Also what I said was he didn’t score he didn’t contribute much. It’s not an outrageous view. 


He had a great record of scoring in playoffs when we got there.

we didn’t qualify for anything during his peak years. If Richie Sadlier had being able to fill in for Niall Quinn then we could have made it to at least one more championships. Clinton Morrison and Robbie had no relationship on the field and it cost us.Unfortunately fate didn’t smile on Sadlier with injuries.

He never scored competitively vs Russia by the way.


No you didn't you said "His record in qualifying in group games vs 1st, 2nd and 3rd seeds wasn’t the best"

You just appear to be making stuff, moving the goal posts to discredit Keane and his goals.

In my response below - he scored 34 goals against the these teams -
https://forum.ybig.ie/bulgaria-match-thread_topic57536_page28.html


Yet, you move on again to Long and big up 2 of this goals in a 13 year period.

Astonishing stuff


Are you not doing the same thing you accuse him of doing re: Long? He has 5 competitive goals in 13 years. It's not great, but it's not as bad as you make it sound. He also spent a large part of the last 13 years playing second fiddle to Doyle and Walters respectively, who were both preferred to him. It's not all about goals, either. Long and Murphy didn't score in Euro 2016 but they put in phenomenal shifts together up front.
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