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oldbilly
Ray Houghton Joined: 30 Sep 2016 Status: Offline Points: 3252 |
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Some great points on here.another thing to consider is the utterly stupid system of playing your rivals 3 times,familiarity breeds etc.,i havent seen anyone bar my own side more than twice and i bet a lot of other fansare similar.now sometimes this was financial ie broke midweek,but a lot of times it was not bothering away because i knew id be seeing the same opposition at least twice more.repitition is not a crowd puller.
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AnCearrbhach
Liam Brady Joined: 26 Mar 2012 Location: Turners Cross Status: Offline Points: 2045 |
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This would probably be the most likely and I think would be successful to some extent. As mentioned a pyramid structure is vital to the future of the game in Ireland. The whole system needs to be uprooted.
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roverstillidie
Jack Charlton Bohs number 1 fan Joined: 25 Jun 2011 Status: Offline Points: 8529 |
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No disrespect to UCD, but we will always get a bigger crowd when Bohs or Pats roll in, even if it is twice a year. Also every game can matter if there 4 European places and 2 relegated plus a playoff. Smaller league, increased quality and bring clubs up into the first.
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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So what do you do? Have a 16 team league when there aren't 16 sides good enough for the Premier and probably never will be? I'd be more in favour of an 8 team league than that, the problem being the geographic spread. Far more competition and intensity, very few meaningless matches and only cutting the season by 5 games. There is no way in the world that the clubs would go for it though.
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roverstillidie
Jack Charlton Bohs number 1 fan Joined: 25 Jun 2011 Status: Offline Points: 8529 |
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I think there is a very big drive to cut the PD to 10 clubs. Problem is clubs will only vote if they think they will be in that 10 - so the likes of Sligo, Drogs, Longford etc will vote it down.
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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This is a massive stumbling block alright. As mentioned before I think two senior national divisions of 8 clubs supported by three regional feeder leagues and in turn fed by local leagues is the way forward. The only way this could ever be done is if there was tv money on the table to incentivise clubs would be with tv money or the like and that would never happen.
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roverstillidie
Jack Charlton Bohs number 1 fan Joined: 25 Jun 2011 Status: Offline Points: 8529 |
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TV money is another days work - we are the only sport anywhere in the world, ever, that in effect pay to have games televised. Personally I don't blame RTE, they got a great deal. It was those who negotiated the deal on our behalf that were derelict.
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CillDara
Davey Langan Joined: 08 Aug 2011 Location: Kildare Status: Offline Points: 761 |
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That could be a good idea, it would make it interesting for all clubs, Bray, Galway, Sligo, Bohs and Pats have had nothing to play for for a while now really. It would mean two more clubs dropping down to the graveyard that is the first division which could be risky, but it would also mean that even if you're the likes of Shels or Waterford who are having a poor season in the first division it is not unrealistic to say that with two good seasons in a row you could be in contention for European football (1st year - promotion, 2nd year - European play off spot). I'm surprised they haven't tried it before. Only worry I would have is that the first division is such a disaster to be in that it could kill clubs even more.
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kevincronin2000
Jack Charlton Cork Airport Dogging Administrator Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Location: P. Rep of Cork Status: Offline Points: 5289 |
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1287 at cork city's u19 game tonight. Very good considering the games on TV. Tickets were €5 for adults and €1 for kids.
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zizu Kilbane
Jack Charlton Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 8365 |
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Roma in the next round too...do they have them at the cross?
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"Sometimes, sh*t happens, someone's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call?"
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Xpro
Davey Langan Not a WUM anymore Joined: 02 Jul 2012 Status: Offline Points: 880 |
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A big problem for our league is the geographical spread. It`s easy for us here in Dublin or even in Leinster to follow our team both home and away, when seven of the twelve PD clubs play in the province.
I was originally opposed to the 10-team PD on the grounds of over-familiarity but the concept that "Bitored" presents makes sense. Besides, a 27 game season might help to eliminate those farcical Mon/Tues night fixtures. But then, who decides which clubs play in this 10-team league? Based on the evidence of this season, I can see four indisputable candidates - Dundalk, Cork, Derry and the ever-improving Sligo. Add in the Dublin trio of Rovers, Pats and Bohs and who`s left? Limerick, Galway and one other club. The "one other club" is where it gets contentious but we definitely need to revamp the format of the league. |
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ybigeejit
Kevin Kilbane Joined: 12 Feb 2016 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 187 |
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Pretty sure it follows the same format so home and away. Great crowd for an underage game. Fair play to Cork
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AnCearrbhach
Liam Brady Joined: 26 Mar 2012 Location: Turners Cross Status: Offline Points: 2045 |
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Just send 3 down next year if you were to do this. I actually think BoR's suggestion has the right mix of traditional and new. Many will argue something more dramatic has to happen but small steps. Going back to 12-team premier was a mistake. With European football possible from 5th up and Relegation possible from 8th down you'd have very little dead rubbers. The licensing requirements should be increasingly stringent too to improve facilities in this smaller league. We have talent coming through there is no sense in paying journey men money that could go to improving the match night experience.
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Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile.
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t_rAndy
Robbie Keane Joined: 06 Feb 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 26244 |
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Bitored's suggestion is the best i heard. I dont like the idea of a play off to decide the winner but relegation and a european stop will help make the mid to lower places team's games more interesting
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Terzino
500 Club la la la Joined: 06 Apr 2016 Status: Offline Points: 665 |
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I'd go a different way altogether.
Have 3 regional conferences of 7 teams each; Dublin, Southern and Northern. Teams would play against their conference rivals home and away, while they would play teams from the other conferences only once. Home and away fixtures would alternate every season. Every team would have 12 local conference games, and 14 games against other conference teams. There'd be no relegation. The 3 winners of each conference would progress to a Champions Group. The 3 second placed teams would play-off, and the winner of the play-off would be added to the Champions Group as the 4th team. These teams would then play each other home and away to decide who wins the trophy. It would look like this, if it existed now DUBLIN CONFERENCE Shamrock Rovers St Patrick's Athletic Bray Wanderers Bohemians UCD Shelbourne Cabinteely SOUTHERN CONFERENCE Cork City Limerick Wexford Youths Longford Cobh Ramblers Waterford United Athlone NORTHERN CONFERENCE Dundalk Derry City Sligo Rovers Galway United Finn Harps Drogheda United (Team needed here) Play-Off Derry City v St Patrick's Athletic or Limerick Champions Group Dundalk Cork City Shamrock Rovers (Play Off Winner) |
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Shedite
Jack Charlton Joined: 09 Dec 2011 Status: Offline Points: 9820 |
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AnCearrbhach
Liam Brady Joined: 26 Mar 2012 Location: Turners Cross Status: Offline Points: 2045 |
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Fair play for the effort but I would say that after 16/17 games half the teams would have nothing to play for. If even that. The threat of relegation is vital which is why so many on here want a pyramid in place.
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Terzino
500 Club la la la Joined: 06 Apr 2016 Status: Offline Points: 665 |
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Relegation does give the teams in the lower end of the table something to battle against, and it gives the fans something to get interested in, but is it worth it in the long term? Especially if it creates more problems for teams struggling to survive? In an ideal world you'd have a pyramid structure with relegation and promotion. However, the conference structure gives teams security and hopefully stability. They can use it to try and build season to season. If they mess up one time, then they aren't punished severely, and can try to rectify what went wrong the next. If they find they have little to play for midway through a season, then perhaps they could use the remainder of their games to take more risks. All out attacking football, giving youth a chance, developing a better standard of football, and so on. Shedite says that Cork are effectively relegated because of the teams they play, which is fair enough. Though, they would still play get to play the better teams in the other conferences, and they'd have the Champions Group as well. However every other team is given the security to try and build themselves into something better. |
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