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Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by BohsinMunich BohsinMunich wrote:

Originally posted by davereilly davereilly wrote:

Originally posted by avfc avfc wrote:

Denmark would be a nice pot  1 draw.
Would take NI as a pot 3.
That would give us a fighting chance.

Am I the only person sick to the teeth of Denmark?


I enjoyed the 3 trips to Denmark and am looking forward to the next trip.
I would even qualify that to say I would love to be looking forward to a trip anywhere.

 
2 trips were fine Copenhagen in Nov was grim

I can think of worse - Aarhus in November.    

In reality the teams we get from pots 2/3/4 are probably more important.    Denmark/Ukraine/Finland is a lot worse than say  France/Slovakia or NI and Luxembourg.  
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Originally posted by gspain gspain wrote:

Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by BohsinMunich BohsinMunich wrote:

Originally posted by davereilly davereilly wrote:

Originally posted by avfc avfc wrote:

Denmark would be a nice pot  1 draw.
Would take NI as a pot 3.
That would give us a fighting chance.

Am I the only person sick to the teeth of Denmark?


I enjoyed the 3 trips to Denmark and am looking forward to the next trip.
I would even qualify that to say I would love to be looking forward to a trip anywhere.

 
2 trips were fine Copenhagen in Nov was grim

I can think of worse - Aarhus in November.    

In reality the teams we get from pots 2/3/4 are probably more important.    Denmark/Ukraine/Finland is a lot worse than say  France/Slovakia or NI and Luxembourg.  

Aarhus was grand 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kevincronin2000 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 2020 at 8:37pm
Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by gspain gspain wrote:

Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by BohsinMunich BohsinMunich wrote:

Originally posted by davereilly davereilly wrote:

Originally posted by avfc avfc wrote:

Denmark would be a nice pot  1 draw.
Would take NI as a pot 3.
That would give us a fighting chance.

Am I the only person sick to the teeth of Denmark?


I enjoyed the 3 trips to Denmark and am looking forward to the next trip.
I would even qualify that to say I would love to be looking forward to a trip anywhere.

 
2 trips were fine Copenhagen in Nov was grim

I can think of worse - Aarhus in November.    

In reality the teams we get from pots 2/3/4 are probably more important.    Denmark/Ukraine/Finland is a lot worse than say  France/Slovakia or NI and Luxembourg.  

Aarhus was grand 
Providing you were not on the train from Hamburg lol 
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This is huge
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/ireland-might-be-spared-november-trip-to-sarajevo-for-losers-play-off-39646152.html

We need to get an easy tie at home now to inflate the ranking points
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Newryrep Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 2020 at 10:46pm
Originally posted by kevincronin2000 kevincronin2000 wrote:

Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by gspain gspain wrote:

Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by BohsinMunich BohsinMunich wrote:

Originally posted by davereilly davereilly wrote:

Originally posted by avfc avfc wrote:

Denmark would be a nice pot  1 draw.
Would take NI as a pot 3.
That would give us a fighting chance.

Am I the only person sick to the teeth of Denmark?


I enjoyed the 3 trips to Denmark and am looking forward to the next trip.
I would even qualify that to say I would love to be looking forward to a trip anywhere.

 
2 trips were fine Copenhagen in Nov was grim

I can think of worse - Aarhus in November.    

In reality the teams we get from pots 2/3/4 are probably more important.    Denmark/Ukraine/Finland is a lot worse than say  France/Slovakia or NI and Luxembourg.  

Aarhus was grand 
Providing you were not on the train from Hamburg lol 
 
train from Copenhagen  - pretty boring TBH
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote davereilly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 2020 at 9:37am
Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by kevincronin2000 kevincronin2000 wrote:

Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by gspain gspain wrote:

Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by BohsinMunich BohsinMunich wrote:

Originally posted by davereilly davereilly wrote:

Originally posted by avfc avfc wrote:

Denmark would be a nice pot  1 draw.
Would take NI as a pot 3.
That would give us a fighting chance.

Am I the only person sick to the teeth of Denmark?


I enjoyed the 3 trips to Denmark and am looking forward to the next trip.
I would even qualify that to say I would love to be looking forward to a trip anywhere.

 
2 trips were fine Copenhagen in Nov was grim

I can think of worse - Aarhus in November.    

In reality the teams we get from pots 2/3/4 are probably more important.    Denmark/Ukraine/Finland is a lot worse than say  France/Slovakia or NI and Luxembourg.  

Aarhus was grand 
Providing you were not on the train from Hamburg lol 
 
train from Copenhagen  - pretty boring TBH

Aarhus was grim. For many reasons discussed in plenty of other threads, so for now I'll just say a boring town and freezing cold. I enjoy travelling to Copenhagen, and the summer game there last year was nice, I'm just sick to the teeth of playing Denmark.
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While the city itself was pleasant enough the whole atmosphere around that game in Aarhus was pretty bad.  The football didn't exactly cheer us up either.  

Although if we end up in pot 3 then Denmark/Wales/Georgia would not be the worst draw.  


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Friendly with England announced Confused
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Originally posted by Deco79 Deco79 wrote:

Friendly with England announced Confused

Great Confused a win is worth 6.84, a draw 1.84 and a loss -3.16
To put that into perspective, a win against Luxembourg would have given us 3
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Originally posted by davereilly davereilly wrote:

Originally posted by Deco79 Deco79 wrote:

Friendly with England announced Confused

Great Confused a win is worth 6.84, a draw 1.84 and a loss -3.16
To put that into perspective, a win against Luxembourg would have given us 3

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7th Dec being reported as when the draw will be made  - on a Monday - a bit surprising
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Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

7th Dec being reported as when the draw will be made  - on a Monday - a bit surprising
So i take it the next 3 games we play will all count for our rankings
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https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/uefa-preliminary-draw-for-fifa-world-cup-2022tm-to-take-centre-stage-on-7-decemb

Wasnt just reported it was announced by fifa.   Rankings as of the 26th of november  
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Originally posted by davereilly davereilly wrote:

Originally posted by Deco79 Deco79 wrote:

Friendly with England announced Confused

Great Confused a win is worth 6.84, a draw 1.84 and a loss -3.16
To put that into perspective, a win against Luxembourg would have given us 3
I could be wrong, but did FIFA not change their ranking process in mid-2018(?) to one nearer that of UEFA, by discounting Friendly matches?

Certain countries - notably Romania and Wales, possibly also Iceland - had "gamed" the previous FIFA system by avoiding Friendlies altogether, since wins got you sod-all, whereas draws or defeats cost you.

If so, then this England/ROI match shouldn't affect your ranking points.
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by davereilly davereilly wrote:

Originally posted by Deco79 Deco79 wrote:

Friendly with England announced Confused

Great Confused a win is worth 6.84, a draw 1.84 and a loss -3.16
To put that into perspective, a win against Luxembourg would have given us 3
I could be wrong, but did FIFA not change their ranking process in mid-2018(?) to one nearer that of UEFA, by discounting Friendly matches?

Certain countries - notably Romania and Wales, possibly also Iceland - had "gamed" the previous FIFA system by avoiding Friendlies altogether, since wins got you sod-all, whereas draws or defeats cost you.

If so, then this England/ROI match shouldn't affect your ranking points.

No, friendlies count under the new system. There was a flaw in the old system where if you played a friendly and used more than three subs, then the points were voided. That is now gone.

The calculation itself to count the difference between the teams and the points awarded for that is too complicated to explain here, but that difference is then multiplied based on the importance of the match in question (5 for friendlies outside the international window, 10 for friendlies in the international window, 15 for NL Group matches, 25 for NL Playoff/Final, Euro and WC qualifiers)

TL/DR: https://img.fifa.com/image/upload/edbm045h0udbwkqew35a.pdf
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Originally posted by davereilly davereilly wrote:

No, friendlies count under the new system. There was a flaw in the old system where if you played a friendly and used more than three subs, then the points were voided. That is now gone.

The calculation itself to count the difference between the teams and the points awarded for that is too complicated to explain here, but that difference is then multiplied based on the importance of the match in question (5 for friendlies outside the international window, 10 for friendlies in the international window, 15 for NL Group matches, 25 for NL Playoff/Final, Euro and WC qualifiers)

TL/DR: https://img.fifa.com/image/upload/edbm045h0udbwkqew35a.pdf
Thanks - nicely explained.
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Rolo and Dave keeping track this window?
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Originally posted by flaghunter flaghunter wrote:

Rolo and Dave keeping track this window?

yep, I'll post nightly updates
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