World War 3 USSR v USA/Ukraine

heighway2heaven wrote:

Dont know if i said it on here or twitter but Kim Jong-Un is pissed in that gif. There is a distinct possibility that after his aul lads death and not having a real mother he has hit the booze straight after. He is 28/29, there is no way somebody of that age can lead a country without it effecting him. I think he has gone all King Joffrey on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY
time lapse of every nuclear explosion since 1945

They have a sphere of influence but they don't enter countries like the yanks.

The fact is it would be impossible to stop an artillery bombardment on Seoul. The north could fire literally thousands of bombs at Seoul without any great difficulty and there is no way they could be stopped. It would be completely scattergun but it would cause a LOT of damage. They could even lob an aul nuke if they wanted to.

irishmufc wrote: corkery wrote: irishmufc wrote: Denis Irwin wrote: corkery wrote: The Chinese and Russians believe in a policy that whatever happens inside one state has nothing to do with another. They believe that as long as the North Koreas don't attack first, they are doing nothing wrong.     Ukraine +1 Have you ever heard of the terms "Iron Curtain" and "puppet governments". Pity the Russians didnt have that policy when they were communist. Under Putin they're as bad as they ever were, they're just a bit more sly about it these days Russia and the USSR are not the same country. Russia and China do not want regime change under any circumstances. As another poster said. Ukraine? Putin is a bad bastard. Awhile ago the founder of a newspaper that criticized the government was blasted to death outside his office in Moscow. Whether it's the U.S., Russia or China they're equally as bad as each other imo

In what way?

SuperDave84 wrote: kimbap wrote: SuperDave84 wrote: The fact is it would be impossible to stop an artillery bombardment on Seoul. The north could fire literally thousands of bombs at Seoul without any great difficulty and there is no way they could be stopped. It would be completely scattergun but it would cause a LOT of damage. They could even lob an aul nuke if they wanted to. Where are you getting this from? One move like that from the North and there would be pinpoint airstrikes in seconds from the S Koreans (who have seriously advanced air power) as well as the US who have the best.They have two major air bases in Korea (Osan and Kunsan) Also have three  Air Forces Bases in Japan in Misawa,Yokota and a massive one in Kadena.Not to mention the carriers in the area.And that just the reaction from the air which really would be a matter on less than 5 mins.          The North are well aware of all this and know that any thing from them would be the end of their country.They are not stupid.The same generals are around that were around when Kim Jung Ill was running the show.The younger Kim is showing to his people that he is tough and not a fat baby faced 30 year old.There is always high tensions at this time of year on the Korean peninsula.It doesn't always get this kind of coverage,they've ramped it up a bit this year and the media has gone berserk. I'm not disagreeing with the consequences. North Korea would be mental to try anything as it would result in immediate massive death but they could bomb the sh*t out of Seoul if they wanted to.

SuperDave,

I respect your opinion on here,you're defo one of the better posters and seem to know what you're talking about.But you're simply wrong here.Do you think the citizens of Seoul (backed by the might of the US military) go about their business everyday since 1953 knowing that they could be wiped out on the whim of a mad man (or a group of his generals) at any time?
           I'm basing this on facts.Living as a teacher in Seoul you get some idea what going on.For example i taught a S Korea fighter pilot (about late 30's so coming to the end of his fighter pilot days,ie not full of bravado) who,once i got to know him told me all sorts.Very interesting stuff.
            However I learnt and heard a lot more having worked in both Japan and Korea (as well as bases in Guam and Hawaii which i have also heard mention of as potential targets) over another fives years.The military are anal in general.If you think regulations and health and safety is bad here you should deal with them for a while.My point is they over react rather than under react,over estimate rather than underestimate and they don't take the North Korean's as the massive threat we here are lead to believe.
            I've been speaking with mates (Korean and Irish) the last few days and they are bemused and bewildered by the attention this is getting.The rhetoric and sabre rattling are an annual thing.The only difference is a few missiles have been moved to the East coast of North Korea.They may even have done this in the previous years but it may not have been reported.
            If the Kim or his general fire one shot on Seoul it would be the same a pulling the trigger on themselves.They know this,I presume they don't want mass suicide.

kimbap wrote: SuperDave84 wrote: kimbap wrote: SuperDave84 wrote: The fact is it would be impossible to stop an artillery bombardment on Seoul. The north could fire literally thousands of bombs at Seoul without any great difficulty and there is no way they could be stopped. It would be completely scattergun but it would cause a LOT of damage. They could even lob an aul nuke if they wanted to. Where are you getting this from? One move like that from the North and there would be pinpoint airstrikes in seconds from the S Koreans (who have seriously advanced air power) as well as the US who have the best.They have two major air bases in Korea (Osan and Kunsan) Also have three  Air Forces Bases in Japan in Misawa,Yokota and a massive one in Kadena.Not to mention the carriers in the area.And that just the reaction from the air which really would be a matter on less than 5 mins.          The North are well aware of all this and know that any thing from them would be the end of their country.They are not stupid.The same generals are around that were around when Kim Jung Ill was running the show.The younger Kim is showing to his people that he is tough and not a fat baby faced 30 year old.There is always high tensions at this time of year on the Korean peninsula.It doesn't always get this kind of coverage,they've ramped it up a bit this year and the media has gone berserk. I'm not disagreeing with the consequences. North Korea would be mental to try anything as it would result in immediate massive death but they could bomb the sh*t out of Seoul if they wanted to. SuperDave, I respect your opinion on here,you're defo one of the better posters and seem to know what you're talking about.But you're simply wrong here.Do you think the citizens of Seoul (backed by the might of the US military) go about their business everyday since 1953 knowing that they could be wiped out on the whim of a mad man (or a group of his generals) at any time?            I'm basing this on facts.Living as a teacher in Seoul you get some idea what going on.For example i taught a S Korea fighter pilot (about late 30's so coming to the end of his fighter pilot days,ie not full of bravado) who,once i got to know him told me all sorts.Very interesting stuff.             However I learnt and heard a lot more having worked in both Japan and Korea (as well as bases in Guam and Hawaii which i have also heard mention of as potential targets) over another fives years.The military are anal in general.If you think regulations and health and safety is bad here you should deal with them for a while.My point is they over react rather than under react,over estimate rather than underestimate and they don't take the North Korean's as the massive threat we here are lead to believe.             I've been speaking with mates (Korean and Irish) the last few days and they are bemused and bewildered by the attention this is getting.The rhetoric and sabre rattling are an annual thing.The only difference is a few missiles have been moved to the East coast of North Korea.They may even have done this in the previous years but it may not have been reported.             If the Kim or his general fire one shot on Seoul it would be the same a pulling the trigger on themselves.They know this,I presume they don't want mass suicide.

Okay, it wouldn't flatten the city but they could clearly cause a lot of damage if they wanted to.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/north-korea-and-flattening-seoul

I appreciate that was about three years ago but the central premise holds true. It wouldn't be a high precision bombing (like I mentioned before, it would be scattergun) but if North Korea wanted to, they could cause serious damage in Seoul. The nuke point might be wrong (well, it would likely be intercepted by missile defence systems but would probably still explode) but they could definitely launch a bombing strike on Seoul which would cause mass damage and casualties.