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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

After watching Spain v Portugal last night I totally get the calls to reduce the number of teams in the World Cup.
It should be the best v the best.
Like the champions league there is too many teams in there just to make up the numbers.

It’s not good from an Ireland perspective but would make for a much better tournament.

Also I would do a draw each round.
I don’t see why we need to know Brazil’s potential path to the final. It would create more drama and uncertainty. 




Travelling fans are screwed over enough already. No need to make it worse. If you're a fan in, say, Kaliningrad, do you fancy having to get to Yekaterinburg inside 72 hours? Or Sochi? Without having any advance notice, it would be a disaster. There's simply no way to organise it without it being a clusterf**k for fans.

I much prefer the present system. Plus, under your potential system, you run a real risk of teams playing each other on a vastly different number of days of rest. You could have a team who haven't played in 7 days playing a team playing their second match in 4 days. That's not acceptable. The current system minimises that.


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Spot on, SD. I do think they should get rid of the seeding and just have a geographical spread in the draw
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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

After watching Spain v Portugal last night I totally get the calls to reduce the number of teams in the World Cup.
It should be the best v the best.
Like the champions league there is too many teams in there just to make up the numbers.

It’s not good from an Ireland perspective but would make for a much better tournament.

Also I would do a draw each round.
I don’t see why we need to know Brazil’s potential path to the final. It would create more drama and uncertainty. 


I don't think it should be expanded but it certainly shouldn't be reduced. You will have decent teams missing out every tournament. I don't like the idea of tournaments played in 3 or more countries. The champions league is sh*te because its not a champions league , its a Europe's richest league and it will never appeal to me the way the world cup does and that's saying something considering the state of international football. Teams like Panama , Iceland , South Korea , and Ourselves when we get there aren't just making up the numbers , they are carrying the hopes of millions of football fans as the underdogs
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Originally posted by PanteirA PanteirA wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

After watching Spain v Portugal last night I totally get the calls to reduce the number of teams in the World Cup.
It should be the best v the best.
Like the champions league there is too many teams in there just to make up the numbers.

It’s not good from an Ireland perspective but would make for a much better tournament.

Also I would do a draw each round.
I don’t see why we need to know Brazil’s potential path to the final. It would create more drama and uncertainty. 


I don't think it should be expanded but it certainly shouldn't be reduced. You will have decent teams missing out every tournament. I don't like the idea of tournaments played in 3 or more countries. The champions league is sh*te because its not a champions league , its a Europe's richest league and it
will never appeal to me the way the world cup does and that's saying something considering the state of international football. Teams like Panama , Iceland , South Korea , and Ourselves when we get there aren't just making up the numbers , they are carrying the hopes of millions of football fans as the underdogs
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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

After watching Spain v Portugal last night I totally get the calls to reduce the number of teams in the World Cup.
It should be the best v the best.
Like the champions league there is too many teams in there just to make up the numbers.

It’s not good from an Ireland perspective but would make for a much better tournament.

Also I would do a draw each round.
I don’t see why we need to know Brazil’s potential path to the final. It would create more drama and uncertainty. 




Travelling fans are screwed over enough already. No need to make it worse. If you're a fan in, say, Kaliningrad, do you fancy having to get to Yekaterinburg inside 72 hours? Or Sochi? Without having any advance notice, it would be a disaster. There's simply no way to organise it without it being a clusterf**k for fans.

I much prefer the present system. Plus, under your potential system, you run a real risk of teams playing each other on a vastly different number of days of rest. You could have a team who haven't played in 7 days playing a team playing their second match in 4 days. That's not acceptable. The current system minimises that.

Agree what your saying SD.
Fans are totally screwed as it is. Before USA 94 they used to organise the groups to minimise the travelling for fans and teams.
Since then the aim seems to be maximise the travel for fans to generate more income for the host country.

A draw for 1/2 final would be no issue. The 1/4 final could also work. Agreed the 2nd round would be impossible.

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Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by newrynyuk newrynyuk wrote:

An indirect consequence of US/Canada/Mexico getting World Cup 2026 is that it will mean it's less likely Qatar will be stripped of hosting in four year's time.

If the 2022 World Cup were to be taken away from Qatar, the US would have been the most likely alternative hosts.  But now they've been awarded the 2026 edition...



Germany, France and England could all host it at (relative) short notice 
 
 
It would be a far better option than Qatar given the weather difference.
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Seems to be a lot of media attention now again about Qatar and allegations of bribery and sabotage in regards to the other bidders for 2022.

Nothing will be done but love to see it be moved
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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Seems to be a lot of media attention now again about Qatar and allegations of bribery and sabotage in regards to the other bidders for 2022.

Nothing will be done but love to see it be moved

Don't think there was much new in what came out yesterday and nothing that would really cause them to move the World Cup now, in comparison to all that is already out there.
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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Seems to be a lot of media attention now again about Qatar and allegations of bribery and sabotage in regards to the other bidders for 2022.

Nothing will be done but love to see it be moved

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If that's proven, it means that they obtained the tournament by deception. That is surefire grounds to strip them of it.

The big issue would be replacement hosts - if UEFA and South America aren't allowed to host it because they've hosted the last two and CONCACAF aren't allowed because they're hosting the next one, then you have to ask which country from Asia or Africa is ready to stand in at very short notice.... it's a small list. It is really only Japan and South Korea, and Japan already have the 2020 Olympics.
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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Seems to be a lot of media attention now again about Qatar and allegations of bribery and sabotage in regards to the other bidders for 2022.

Nothing will be done but love to see it be moved

Allegations of bribery you say....
The country is the size of Cork+Kerry with a population of 3M with no footballing history.

They basically swapped oil for the World Cup.


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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

If that's proven, it means that they obtained the tournament by deception. That is surefire grounds to strip them of it.

The big issue would be replacement hosts - if UEFA and South America aren't allowed to host it because they've hosted the last two and CONCACAF aren't allowed because they're hosting the next one, then you have to ask which country from Asia or Africa is ready to stand in at very short notice.... it's a small list. It is really only Japan and South Korea, and Japan already have the 2020 Olympics.


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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

If that's proven, it means that they obtained the tournament by deception. That is surefire grounds to strip them of it.

The big issue would be replacement hosts - if UEFA and South America aren't allowed to host it because they've hosted the last two and CONCACAF aren't allowed because they're hosting the next one, then you have to ask which country from Asia or Africa is ready to stand in at very short notice.... it's a small list. It is really only Japan and South Korea, and Japan already have the 2020 Olympics.

America bumped up and reopening of bidding for 2026 ?

Or as Lassie says give it to the Aussies 


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The only issue with Australia having it would be the ridiculously early matches it would be the same for Japan & Korea though

looking at the voting for WC

Qatar> 14
USA > 8
Korea> 5 (eliminated rd3)
Japan> 2  (eliminated rd2)
Australia > 1 (eliminated rd1)

If going by that Korea would be next in line
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Ask those three.

If none of them want it, or aren't up to scratch (the Aussies needed to build or renovate a heap of stadiums), open it up completely, without geographic restriction.

Then we get Germany or England.
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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

Ask those three.

If none of them want it, or aren't up to scratch (the Aussies needed to build or renovate a heap of stadiums), open it up completely, without geographic restriction.

Then we get Germany or England.


Germany or England could host a World Cup tomorrow if you asked them to.
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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

Ask those three.

If none of them want it, or aren't up to scratch (the Aussies needed to build or renovate a heap of stadiums), open it up completely, without geographic restriction.

Then we get Germany or England.


Germany or England could host a World Cup tomorrow if you asked them to.
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Qatar being stripped of the 2022 World Cup is actually more likely now than before.
 
Thw 2018 and 2022 tournaments were tied together in terms of TV rights, sponsorship, contracts etc.  You couldn't cancel one without cancelling the other.  But now that Russia 2018 is over...
 
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