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    Posted: 18 Sep 2023 at 10:48pm
Looking for two for the Olympia on Sunday Oct 22.

Like all their gigs these days, tickets hard to come by which is great to see. 
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Catalpa are the warm up act so give FW a shout to see if he can help out
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Originally posted by The GerK The GerK wrote:

Looking for two for the Olympia on Sunday Oct 22.

Like all their gigs these days, tickets hard to come by which is great to see. 



Where do you think the change has happened 
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The women’s soccer team controversy put them back in the spotlight where we had people in media here and abroad basically criticising people for singing republican songs.

I think we now have a cohort of people who have said, no f**k that they are good songs and part of our culture and actually I am going to double down and make it my business to go see them and sing along. 


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Catalpa are the warm up act so give FW a shout to see if he can help out

Have asked CW.

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Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

The women’s soccer team controversy put them back in the spotlight where we had people in media here and abroad basically criticising people for singing republican songs.

I think we now have a cohort of people who have said, no f**k that they are good songs and part of our culture and actually I am going to double down and make it my business to go see them and sing along. 
The "part of our culture" thing cracks me up. 
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

The women’s soccer team controversy put them back in the spotlight where we had people in media here and abroad basically criticising people for singing republican songs.

I think we now have a cohort of people who have said, no f**k that they are good songs and part of our culture and actually I am going to double down and make it my business to go see them and sing along. 
The "part of our culture" thing cracks me up. 

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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

The women’s soccer team controversy put them back in the spotlight where we had people in media here and abroad basically criticising people for singing republican songs.

I think we now have a cohort of people who have said, no f**k that they are good songs and part of our culture and actually I am going to double down and make it my business to go see them and sing along. 
The "part of our culture" thing cracks me up. 

Why?
People can go to any gigs they want, sing whatever songs they want (and other people are allowed not to like the music also).
But a song written about a Scottish Football Club 30 odd years ago isn't something I would consider part of my culture, for example.
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I think it's more to do with the band and not the song, and there is a tonne of songs about the good old IRA, which we would have all been brought up listening too.

The problem with Celtic symphony is that it's a very catchy tune.
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

The women’s soccer team controversy put them back in the spotlight where we had people in media here and abroad basically criticising people for singing republican songs.

I think we now have a cohort of people who have said, no f**k that they are good songs and part of our culture and actually I am going to double down and make it my business to go see them and sing along. 
The "part of our culture" thing cracks me up. 

Why?
People can go to any gigs they want, sing whatever songs they want (and other people are allowed not to like the music also).
But a song written about a Scottish Football Club 30 odd years ago isn't something I would consider part of my culture, for example.


That's one song in isolation but the vast majority of their songs are about irish history or the Irish social experience (such emigration).
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Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

The women’s soccer team controversy put them back in the spotlight where we had people in media here and abroad basically criticising people for singing republican songs.

I think we now have a cohort of people who have said, no f**k that they are good songs and part of our culture and actually I am going to double down and make it my business to go see them and sing along. 
The "part of our culture" thing cracks me up. 

Why?
People can go to any gigs they want, sing whatever songs they want (and other people are allowed not to like the music also).
But a song written about a Scottish Football Club 30 odd years ago isn't something I would consider part of my culture, for example.


That's one song in isolation but the vast majority of their songs are about irish history or the Irish social experience (such emigration).



A number of those songs weren't written by them - Which isn't a swipe at them at all.
Maybe it's just me but considering songs 20/30 years old (of any genre) as part of my culture is something I struggle with. The old songs that they cover I would consider more in that way but they when people seem to "defend" listening to the Wolfe Tones now (and I throw that in inverted commas as people can listen to what they like) it isn't really the old covers they seem to reference. 
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A number of those songs weren't written by them - Which isn't a swipe at them at all.
Maybe it's just me but considering songs 20/30 years old (of any genre) as part of my culture is something I struggle with. The old songs that they cover I would consider more in that way but they when people seem to "defend" listening to the Wolfe Tones now (and I throw that in inverted commas as people can listen to what they like) it isn't really the old covers they seem to reference. 


I think what is meant by culture can vary. From an artistic and musical point of view, the Wolfe Tones are undoubtedly central from an Irish cultural point of view. They really are trailblazers from the point of view of rebel and traditional music.

That being said, I would believe that they are being used from a political culture point of view, by people who have little interest in promoting the Wolfe Tones on a musical level.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:


A number of those songs weren't written by them - Which isn't a swipe at them at all.
Maybe it's just me but considering songs 20/30 years old (of any genre) as part of my culture is something I struggle with. The old songs that they cover I would consider more in that way but they when people seem to "defend" listening to the Wolfe Tones now (and I throw that in inverted commas as people can listen to what they like) it isn't really the old covers they seem to reference. 


I think what is meant by culture can vary. From an artistic and musical point of view, the Wolfe Tones are undoubtedly central from an Irish cultural point of view. They really are trailblazers from the point of view of rebel and traditional music.

That being said, I would believe that they are being used from a political culture point of view, by people who have little interest in promoting the Wolfe Tones on a musical level.

Are the though? I mean, politics is kinda central to a lot of their own songs. 
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:


A number of those songs weren't written by them - Which isn't a swipe at them at all.
Maybe it's just me but considering songs 20/30 years old (of any genre) as part of my culture is something I struggle with. The old songs that they cover I would consider more in that way but they when people seem to "defend" listening to the Wolfe Tones now (and I throw that in inverted commas as people can listen to what they like) it isn't really the old covers they seem to reference. 


I think what is meant by culture can vary. From an artistic and musical point of view, the Wolfe Tones are undoubtedly central from an Irish cultural point of view. They really are trailblazers from the point of view of rebel and traditional music.

That being said, I would believe that they are being used from a political culture point of view, by people who have little interest in promoting the Wolfe Tones on a musical level.

Are the though? I mean, politics is kinda central to a lot of their own songs. 

Thats true, but they have undoubtedly seen a resurgence at a time when there have been efforts to sanitise certain aspects of the political past. The argument of 'our songs' is indicative of this. Or indeed the focus on the 'ooh ah..' thing. There is much more too the band than that. But for commentators and online shills, it can be useful.
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

The women’s soccer team controversy put them back in the spotlight where we had people in media here and abroad basically criticising people for singing republican songs.

I think we now have a cohort of people who have said, no f**k that they are good songs and part of our culture and actually I am going to double down and make it my business to go see them and sing along. 
The "part of our culture" thing cracks me up. 

Why?
People can go to any gigs they want, sing whatever songs they want (and other people are allowed not to like the music also).
But a song written about a Scottish Football Club 30 odd years ago isn't something I would consider part of my culture, for example.


That's one song. Do you know any of the other 20 they sing at a gig?

Thes best Tones songs for me hardly mention the IRA
Boston Rose
My Heart is in Ireland
Streets of New York
Only Our Rivers Run Free
Grace
Irish Eyes

All deeply embedded in our history

Oh....but the Celtic Synphony
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Originally posted by The GerK The GerK wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

The women’s soccer team controversy put them back in the spotlight where we had people in media here and abroad basically criticising people for singing republican songs.

I think we now have a cohort of people who have said, no f**k that they are good songs and part of our culture and actually I am going to double down and make it my business to go see them and sing along. 
The "part of our culture" thing cracks me up. 

Why?
People can go to any gigs they want, sing whatever songs they want (and other people are allowed not to like the music also).
But a song written about a Scottish Football Club 30 odd years ago isn't something I would consider part of my culture, for example.


That's one song. Do you know any of the other 20 they sing at a gig?

Thes best Tones songs for me hardly mention the IRA
Boston Rose
My Heart is in Ireland
Streets of New York
Only Our Rivers Run Free
Grace
Irish Eyes

All deeply embedded in our history

Oh....but the Celtic Synphony

But that's the whole point of this. The discussion is around the political songs on both sides.
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