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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

I'd agree with others although he has started to score in league one of late, I'd rather invest in one of the younger lads. I'd have parrott and scully ahead of him.


So in a NL game (I don't care about friendlies), you'd pick a L1 striker (Parrott) who's not a starter, not scoring and making zero impact over a L1 striker who starts, scores and makes a considerable impact (Keane). That makes sense. 

Parrott is a teenager with really good experience in men's football. He has 2 senior goals already and looks like he has great potential

I'd have him back in the u21s for now but it's a long term investment with him. I think further down the line he'll be a bigger player for us than Keane. Nothing wrong with investing in him now.
 Parrott is promising - but currently Keane is a better option. Forget the regeneration and long-project narrative. By his own comments Kenny has declared results are now imperative - and that means picking a team to win the next game - not the one three or four years down the line. 


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Against the might might Morecambe

Brilliant because some of our other forwards like parrott would probably struggle to score against the might morecambe.

Always said, dont care what league our forwards are in. If they're scoring consistently at a half decent level (including league 1 or loi), it's a positive. I'd be playing them over other forwards who aren't playing or who are struggling to score (obvious Exceptions of course). Forwards thrive on confidence 


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Originally posted by Wheelo Wheelo wrote:

Originally posted by McG McG wrote:

Against the might might Morecambe

Brilliant because some of our other forwards like parrott would probably struggle to score against the might morecambe.

Always said, dont care what league our forwards are in. If they're scoring consistently at a half decent level (including league 1 or loi), it's a positive. I'd be playing them over other forwards who aren't playing or who are struggling to score (obvious Exceptions of course). Forwards thrive on confidence 

If the goal was against 80% of the other L1 teams, i wouldn't have remarked. It's just that it's Morecambe. A club i know little about but for some reason in my head, would have associated with being non league. That's all. 
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1 goal in 10.25 games at Championship level. 1 goal in 13.66 games from open play at Championship level.

Excuse me if I'm not throwing my panties at him like he's Tom Jones.
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You’re a strange character HH. 

So personal!

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1 goal in 10.25 games at Championship level. 1 goal in 13.66 games from open play at Championship level.

Excuse me if I'm not throwing my panties at him like he's Tom Jones.

A little reductionist to ignore all other contributions on the pitch...

My advice is to not throw your panties at anyone, I dont think Tom Jones has ever thrown his panties at parrott either.

I've seen him play at Championship level and he's not the "10" some people seem to think he is either...

Marcus Harness can play as a 10 at League One level and look like a world beater. 

He also had to drop down from Championship level to get game time.

In the past it was Hogan and Collins. Right now it's Keane. In the future it will be someone else of that ilk.

We'd be better served persevering with the Parrott's and the Idah's unless it's a Bamford-type player declaring for us.

Keane and his 4 goal a season average at Championship level is not the answer to our productivity problems.
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

You’re a strange character HH. 

So personal!

Says the 33 year old who posts more emojis than my niece.

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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

[QUOTE=Left foot][QUOTE=Hotlips_Hoolahan]1 goal in 10.25 games at Championship level. 1 goal in 13.66 games from open play at Championship level.

Excuse me if I'm not throwing I've seen him play at Championship level and he's not the "10" some people seem to think he is either...

Marcus Harness can play as a 10 at League One level and look like a world beater. 

He also had to drop down from Championship level to get game time.

In the past it was Hogan and Collins. Right now it's Keane. In the future it will be someone else of that ilk.

We'd be better served persevering with the Parrott's and the Idah's unless it's a Bamford-type player declaring for us.

Keane and his 4 goal a season average at Championship level is not the answer to our productivity problems.

Quoting goals per game stats over an injury plauged career is irrelevant. However your overall point may well be correct. Taking this season on its merits he does seem to have moved his performance to a new level and maybe that is because he is getting an injury free run or maybe it's because it is L1.

I think he is worth a shot because nobody is putting pressure on him and the bit I have seen of him he seems to have the game intelligence that we are lacking since Mcgoldrick quit. I think his style would add nice balance and bring on Idah.
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all his goals this season are from open play.
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To say he's a 10 for Ireland is stretching it. He's a similar type option to Idah or Mcgoldrick a target man and an alternative to Idah in this sense. I also don't doubt he's a Championship quality player and would be now at least if not for injuries throughout his life. He's proving well able for League 1 with a good run of games.

Im hoping he gets a run in the March friendlies let's check him out and see. No harm in it.


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all his goals this season are from open play.

A 29 year old with 6 career goals from open play in the Championship over the course of the equivalent of two full campaigns. This is who we're pinning our hopes on now?

I think David McGoldrick's contributions for us were greatly exaggerated, and for all his deft touches, we generally carved out f**k all chances in the final third, but he's miles ahead of Keane in terms of quality.

But by all means, if people want to convince themselves that he's the answer based on a 30 second cameo in one game and the first good goalscoring campaign of his career, that's their prerogative.

Ross Stewart has twice as many goals as he does and wouldn't get within an arse's roar of the Scotland squad.

Short-term pain, long-term gain should be our motto going forward. Persevere with the young lads. Idah is already benefiting at club level from the game time Kenny gave him with us.


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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by gufct gufct wrote:

all his goals this season are from open play.

A 29 year old with 6 career goals from open play in the Championship over the course of the equivalent of two full campaigns. This is who we're pinning our hopes on now?

I think David McGoldrick's contributions for us were greatly exaggerated, and for all his deft touches, we generally carved out f**k all chances in the final third, but he's miles ahead of Keane in terms of quality.

But by all means, if people want to convince themselves that he's the answer based on a 30 second cameo in one game and the first good goalscoring campaign of his career, that's their prerogative.

Ross Stewart has twice as many goals as he does and wouldn't get within an arse's roar of the Scotland squad.

Short-term pain, long-term gain should be our motto going forward. Persevere with the young lads. Idah is already benefiting at club level from the game time Kenny gave him with us.


Keane doesnt play as an out and out forward though, he'd be plying for one of the slots in behind the striker where McGrath, Horgan and Ogbene have been playing.

Is he really any worse than any of them?

Horgan and Ogbene have 1 goal between them in League One this season. Horgan cant even get his game! McGrath only marginally better has 2 goals in the SPL which is there and there abouts the standard of League One.

You really need to stop looking at stats so black and white, you do it in every thread on here.

Will Keane has had an injury plagued career up until last season. That simply cannot be ignored. He never got a run of more than 7 or 8 games concurrently before getting injured rinse and repeat. Up until this season he never managed 90 minutes more than 3 games in a row. When he did get a run however short he'd score.

Hes finally got a clear run of it and is flying form the last year. Whatever he done before that is irrelevant.

I've watched Wigan play several times this season and I think he has the attributes to bring goals from an area were struggling to score goals from as well as link the play. Hes excellent in the air too, scores a lot of headed goals, something we're lacking in too.

I think he just fits the system and should be given a chance.


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Not pining hopes on him but he deserves a chance. Look at Ogbene who got a chance despite not absolutely tearing it up at L1 level and he has contributed 
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Originally posted by Bandwagon Bandwagon wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by gufct gufct wrote:

all his goals this season are from open play.

A 29 year old with 6 career goals from open play in the Championship over the course of the equivalent of two full campaigns. This is who we're pinning our hopes on now?

I think David McGoldrick's contributions for us were greatly exaggerated, and for all his deft touches, we generally carved out f**k all chances in the final third, but he's miles ahead of Keane in terms of quality.

But by all means, if people want to convince themselves that he's the answer based on a 30 second cameo in one game and the first good goalscoring campaign of his career, that's their prerogative.

Ross Stewart has twice as many goals as he does and wouldn't get within an arse's roar of the Scotland squad.

Short-term pain, long-term gain should be our motto going forward. Persevere with the young lads. Idah is already benefiting at club level from the game time Kenny gave him with us.


Keane doesnt play as an out and out forward though, he'd be plying for one of the slots in behind the striker where McGrath, Horgan and Ogbene have been playing.

Is he really any worse than any of them?

Horgan and Ogbene have 1 goal between them in League One this season. Horgan cant even get his game! McGrath only marginally better has 2 goals in the SPL which is there and there abouts the standard of League One.

You really need to stop looking at stats so black and white, you do it in every thread on here.

Will Keane has had an injury plagued career up until last season. That simply cannot be ignored. He never got a run of more than 7 or 8 games concurrently before getting injured rinse and repeat. Up until this season he never managed 90 minutes more than 3 games in a row. When he did get a run however short he'd score.

Hes finally got a clear run of it and is flying form the last year. Whatever he done before that is irrelevant.

I've watched Wigan play several times this season and I think he has the attributes to bring goals from an area were struggling to score goals from as well as link the play. Hes excellent in the air too, scores a lot of headed goals, something we're lacking in too.

I think he just fits the system and should be given a chance.



Keane didn't play as a "10" when he was playing in the Championship. He played as an out and out striker. Does that add enough context to him averaging a goal every 13 games?

And yes, I would say Ogbene and McGrath are better options than him. McGrath's done it on the pitch in several Intl games and has done enough to attract interest from PL and Championship teams. Ogbene made more of an impression at Championship level and his own coaches believe he has a higher ceiling than that, and even believed they would've stayed up if he was fit for the whole campaign where they got relegated. And, like McGrath, he's proved himself in several Intl games.

"Black and white"? I'm not being black and white, or "binary" (another one of your favourite words). If I was being binary, I'd pick on Ogbene for his unremarkable stats.

There's a video released on Norwich's Twitter of Idah's "10" play. And this two levels above Keane in the football pyramid. We'd be better served cultivating that rather than expecting a 29 year old to get up to the required speed.


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Scored his 13th goal of the season there.

4 goals in his last 4 games.
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Scored his 13th goal of the season there.

4 goals in his last 4 games.


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