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Will EIRE qualify via the playoffs?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TonyNotJack Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2019 at 12:41pm
Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Jimmy Raggatip Jimmy Raggatip wrote:

being destroyed is an odd angle

if anything its being improved

less pointless friendlies, more competitive matches and against teams in and around your own standard too. 
It depends on your definition of competitive! Ireland will have played 12 competitive matches, and we all know the record, to get down to the last 36 teams in Europe. Nobody is disputing that friendlies need to be a thing of the past, but the NL should have no impact on qualifying. Leave it separate, with finals in each division and return to a proper Euros where every qualification match, even the dead rubbers, felt in some way important.
The golden age of international football was the 70's and 80's. The best four world cups were probably the ones spanning from 1970- 1982. It was unbelievably hard to qualify. England at a time when they had a huge amount of quality players only got to one world cup in the 70's

Four years ago they started a deliberate policy of making it easier to qualify for the euros which definitely benefited us and MON.The current qualification system has brought it to a new level. Finland a team who never came close to qualifying for anything made it through with relative ease. It definitely devalues something that used to be a special achievement.  They are just about to start the process of doing the same to the world cup.
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twice the number of nations playing equals twice the number of advertising hoardings, twice the number of TV rights, a lot more jerseys sold. 

The danger is that, the way it is going, very few countries have the infrastructure to support a tournament. Tournaments will end up rotating between USA, Germany, France and England. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pre Madonna Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2019 at 1:21pm
Originally posted by TonyNotJack TonyNotJack wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Jimmy Raggatip Jimmy Raggatip wrote:

being destroyed is an odd angle

if anything its being improved

less pointless friendlies, more competitive matches and against teams in and around your own standard too. 
It depends on your definition of competitive! Ireland will have played 12 competitive matches, and we all know the record, to get down to the last 36 teams in Europe. Nobody is disputing that friendlies need to be a thing of the past, but the NL should have no impact on qualifying. Leave it separate, with finals in each division and return to a proper Euros where every qualification match, even the dead rubbers, felt in some way important.
The golden age of international football was the 70's and 80's. The best four world cups were probably the ones spanning from 1970- 1982. It was unbelievably hard to qualify. England at a time when they had a huge amount of quality players only got to one world cup in the 70's

Four years ago they started a deliberate policy of making it easier to qualify for the euros which definitely benefited us and MON.The current qualification system has brought it to a new level. Finland a team who never came close to qualifying for anything made it through with relative ease. It definitely devalues something that used to be a special achievement.  They are just about to start the process of doing the same to the world cup.
It completely takes away from it. The bigger teams are guaranteed to qualify, what is the point in watching England or Germany? Even with the last format the Dutch missed out, they wouldn’t now. 
I actually feel sorry for the qualifier from ‘League D’. Georgia and Kosovo have proved themselves to be very capable sides, with continuous progression they may well have qualified in time and on merit, instead one of them will be given the pity prize and their qualification will have an asterisk. You could make the same argument if the Scots make it through, though I doubt they will. 

All I could think of when Denmark scored was that I wished this was the end of it. If we had beaten Denmark, by fluke, we would still have deserved it because the Danes would have f**ked up three times and us twice. The group table doesn’t lie. Instead, teams like the North and ourselves get rewarded for not being totally sh*te a few years ago. 

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Originally posted by TonyNotJack TonyNotJack wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Jimmy Raggatip Jimmy Raggatip wrote:

being destroyed is an odd angle

if anything its being improved

less pointless friendlies, more competitive matches and against teams in and around your own standard too. 
It depends on your definition of competitive! Ireland will have played 12 competitive matches, and we all know the record, to get down to the last 36 teams in Europe. Nobody is disputing that friendlies need to be a thing of the past, but the NL should have no impact on qualifying. Leave it separate, with finals in each division and return to a proper Euros where every qualification match, even the dead rubbers, felt in some way important.
The golden age of international football was the 70's and 80's. The best four world cups were probably the ones spanning from 1970- 1982. It was unbelievably hard to qualify. England at a time when they had a huge amount of quality players only got to one world cup in the 70's

Four years ago they started a deliberate policy of making it easier to qualify for the euros which definitely benefited us and MON.The current qualification system has brought it to a new level. Finland a team who never came close to qualifying for anything made it through with relative ease. It definitely devalues something that used to be a special achievement.  They are just about to start the process of doing the same to the world cup.

But it also made football extremely elitist. Any young player not living in say Germany, Italy, NL, Brazil, Argentina etc had virtually zero hope of ever aspiring to play in a World Cup.

The expansion and globalisation of the World Cup made the utmost sense : had it remained elitist it would have perhaps struggled.
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Originally posted by Strazdas Strazdas wrote:

Originally posted by TonyNotJack TonyNotJack wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Jimmy Raggatip Jimmy Raggatip wrote:

being destroyed is an odd angle

if anything its being improved

less pointless friendlies, more competitive matches and against teams in and around your own standard too. 
It depends on your definition of competitive! Ireland will have played 12 competitive matches, and we all know the record, to get down to the last 36 teams in Europe. Nobody is disputing that friendlies need to be a thing of the past, but the NL should have no impact on qualifying. Leave it separate, with finals in each division and return to a proper Euros where every qualification match, even the dead rubbers, felt in some way important.
The golden age of international football was the 70's and 80's. The best four world cups were probably the ones spanning from 1970- 1982. It was unbelievably hard to qualify. England at a time when they had a huge amount of quality players only got to one world cup in the 70's

Four years ago they started a deliberate policy of making it easier to qualify for the euros which definitely benefited us and MON.The current qualification system has brought it to a new level. Finland a team who never came close to qualifying for anything made it through with relative ease. It definitely devalues something that used to be a special achievement.  They are just about to start the process of doing the same to the world cup.

But it also made football extremely elitist. Any young player not living in say Germany, Italy, NL, Brazil, Argentina etc had virtually zero hope of ever aspiring to play in a World Cup.

The expansion and globalisation of the World Cup made the utmost sense : had it remained elitist it would have perhaps struggled.
True, but to a point. We are now going to far the other way. When the World Cul goes to 48 teams appearing in it will be devalued, the way the Euros is now.
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The Cricket WC went from 8 to 9 to 14 participants, and then back to 10.
Anyone know why they recently made it smaller....too many one sided matches/ not enough quality in depth??
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Originally posted by GB 1HughJarse GB 1HughJarse wrote:

The Cricket WC went from 8 to 9 to 14 participants, and then back to 10.
Anyone know why they recently made it smaller....too many one sided matches/ not enough quality in depth??

Old guard wanting to keep more tv money. 
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by Jimmy Raggatip Jimmy Raggatip wrote:

being destroyed is an odd angle

if anything its being improved

less pointless friendlies, more competitive matches and against teams in and around your own standard too. 


That's the bit I hate.  We will be playing the same teams all the bloody time.  It also devalues the qualifiers themselves. I am not sure but having a safety net of the playoff from the NL must have an effect subconsciously.  I bet Mick McCarthy wasn't too disappointed to end up in the playoffs.

fair enough we got a dreadful draw last time out in the Nations League but it won't always be like that, and promotion and relegation ensures a fair churn of teams from cycle to cycle

next time out the seeding pots will be

Russia/Austria/Wales/Czech Rep - so two teams we haven't met in a while
Scotland/Norway/Serbia/Finland - again the two Scandi teams would be a nice change
Slovakia/Turkey/us/Nordies
Bulgaria/Israel/Hungary/Romania - all a decent change of scenery

it won't always be the complete anti climax of last time
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