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You can only enjoy horse racing if you bet on every race you watch.  Absolutely pointless sport apart from that.  

Also why do the horses not get the trophy?  Why is the jockey congratulated?  They are only passengers.

Again, you've done your usual thing of projecting what you think on to everyone else.
Like last week when you said that nobody watches  cricket when you meant that you didn't watch cricket.


Funny that you say this as I work in the projection room in a cinema. 

Never met anyone that watches horse racing just for the sport itself and does'nt gamble on it.
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You can only enjoy horse racing if you bet on every race you watch.  Absolutely pointless sport apart from that.  

Also why do the horses not get the trophy?  Why is the jockey congratulated?  They are only passengers.

Again, you've done your usual thing of projecting what you think on to everyone else.
Like last week when you said that nobody watches  cricket when you meant that you didn't watch cricket.


Funny that you say this as I work in the projection room in a cinema. 

Never met anyone that watches horse racing just for the sport itself and does'nt gamble on it.

Again, so you've not met these people so they don't exist?
There are a number of countries where horse racing takes place where gambling is illegal.

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Horse racing would not exist in its current form without gambling.  That's not a sustainable sport IMO.

When broadcasters list lineups for races with horse names/numbers/jockeys without listing the odds, I'll change my mind.
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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Horse racing would not exist in its current form without gambling.  That's not a sustainable sport IMO.

When broadcasters list lineups for races with horse names/numbers/jockeys without listing the odds, I'll change my mind.

It would exist in a different form but I don't think anybody is saying it wouldn't exist in its current form without gambling. That's different to saying that nobody watches horse racing without gambling on every race which isn't true. 


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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

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Horse racing would not exist in its current form without gambling.  That's not a sustainable sport IMO.

When broadcasters list lineups for races with horse names/numbers/jockeys without listing the odds, I'll change my mind.

It would exist in a different form but I don't think anybody is saying it wouldn't exist in its current form without gambling. That's different to saying that nobody watches horse racing without gambling on very race which isn't true. 


Go way outta that son.

Who watches the 3.30 from Kempton Park without betting!
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Horse racing would not exist in its current form without gambling.  That's not a sustainable sport IMO.

When broadcasters list lineups for races with horse names/numbers/jockeys without listing the odds, I'll change my mind.

It would exist in a different form but I don't think anybody is saying it wouldn't exist in its current form without gambling. That's different to saying that nobody watches horse racing without gambling on very race which isn't true. 


Go way outta that son.

Who watches the 3.30 from Kempton Park without betting!

For the big races you'd have lots of people. 
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Horse racing would not exist in its current form without gambling.  That's not a sustainable sport IMO.

When broadcasters list lineups for races with horse names/numbers/jockeys without listing the odds, I'll change my mind.

It would exist in a different form but I don't think anybody is saying it wouldn't exist in its current form without gambling. That's different to saying that nobody watches horse racing without gambling on very race which isn't true. 


Go way outta that son.

Who watches the 3.30 from Kempton Park without betting!

For the big races you'd have lots of people. 


The only people that watch horse racing without betting are too tight and just watch it hoping the people next to them lose their money.

Its a sport 100% connected and reliant on gambling and nobody would watch it otherwise. 
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

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Horse racing would not exist in its current form without gambling.  That's not a sustainable sport IMO.

When broadcasters list lineups for races with horse names/numbers/jockeys without listing the odds, I'll change my mind.

It would exist in a different form but I don't think anybody is saying it wouldn't exist in its current form without gambling. That's different to saying that nobody watches horse racing without gambling on very race which isn't true. 


Go way outta that son.

Who watches the 3.30 from Kempton Park without betting!

For the big races you'd have lots of people. 


The only people that watch horse racing without betting are too tight and just watch it hoping the people next to them lose their money.

Its a sport 100% connected and reliant on gambling and nobody would watch it otherwise. 

Again, you are portraying your opinion as fact and also conflating two different topics 
I go racing with people who don't bet on every race.
I've family members who would only watch some of the big races and don't bet.
I've met people who own small shares in horses who don't gamble and are in it for the love of the game.
And nobody is claiming that the sport and gambling aren't related. 

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I'd say you would struggle to find anyone who watches it that does not have, at least, a very keen interest in gambling. They might not be betting on one particular race, but are watching it with a view to form, odds etc.

This is certainly the case for anyone I know who are into the horses.
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Horse racing would not exist in its current form without gambling.  That's not a sustainable sport IMO.

When broadcasters list lineups for races with horse names/numbers/jockeys without listing the odds, I'll change my mind.

It would exist in a different form but I don't think anybody is saying it wouldn't exist in its current form without gambling. That's different to saying that nobody watches horse racing without gambling on very race which isn't true. 


Go way outta that son.

Who watches the 3.30 from Kempton Park without betting!

For the big races you'd have lots of people. 


The only people that watch horse racing without betting are too tight and just watch it hoping the people next to them lose their money.

Its a sport 100% connected and reliant on gambling and nobody would watch it otherwise. 

Again, you are portraying your opinion as fact and also conflating two different topics 
I go racing with people who don't bet on every race.
I've family members who would only watch some of the big races and don't bet.
I've met people who own small shares in horses who don't gamble and are in it for the love of the game.
And nobody is claiming that the sport and gambling aren't related. 



Ban them from gambling on any race and see if they still go.  You are flogging a dead horse here Gordon.
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There’s a great clip on YouTube from the Craig Doyle show years ago where John McCririck and Ruby Walsh are debating this topic and Ruby said he doesn’t care about the punters and he thinks racing would exist without betting and McCririck told him it would exist only by rich men racing their horses in their big estates and nobody watching. Ruby came across very badly and started acting very childish i recommend people have a look.
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

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Horse racing would not exist in its current form without gambling.  That's not a sustainable sport IMO.

When broadcasters list lineups for races with horse names/numbers/jockeys without listing the odds, I'll change my mind.

It would exist in a different form but I don't think anybody is saying it wouldn't exist in its current form without gambling. That's different to saying that nobody watches horse racing without gambling on very race which isn't true. 


Go way outta that son.

Who watches the 3.30 from Kempton Park without betting!

For the big races you'd have lots of people. 


The only people that watch horse racing without betting are too tight and just watch it hoping the people next to them lose their money.

Its a sport 100% connected and reliant on gambling and nobody would watch it otherwise. 

Again, you are portraying your opinion as fact and also conflating two different topics 
I go racing with people who don't bet on every race.
I've family members who would only watch some of the big races and don't bet.
I've met people who own small shares in horses who don't gamble and are in it for the love of the game.
And nobody is claiming that the sport and gambling aren't related. 



Ban them from gambling on any race and see if they still go.  You are flogging a dead horse here Gordon.

Your original point was this "You can only enjoy horse racing if you bet on every race you watch." 
Now you are saying they can't bet on any race. Make up your mind. 

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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

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Horse racing would not exist in its current form without gambling.  That's not a sustainable sport IMO.

When broadcasters list lineups for races with horse names/numbers/jockeys without listing the odds, I'll change my mind.

It would exist in a different form but I don't think anybody is saying it wouldn't exist in its current form without gambling. That's different to saying that nobody watches horse racing without gambling on very race which isn't true. 


Go way outta that son.

Who watches the 3.30 from Kempton Park without betting!

For the big races you'd have lots of people. 


The only people that watch horse racing without betting are too tight and just watch it hoping the people next to them lose their money.

Its a sport 100% connected and reliant on gambling and nobody would watch it otherwise. 

Again, you are portraying your opinion as fact and also conflating two different topics 
I go racing with people who don't bet on every race.
I've family members who would only watch some of the big races and don't bet.
I've met people who own small shares in horses who don't gamble and are in it for the love of the game.
And nobody is claiming that the sport and gambling aren't related. 



Ban them from gambling on any race and see if they still go.  You are flogging a dead horse here Gordon.

Your original point was this "You can only enjoy horse racing if you bet on every race you watch." 
Now you are saying they can't bet on any race. Make up your mind. 


He may be over exaggerating it a little bit he’s correct in essence what he’s saying! I don’t know one single person who watches horse racing without punting, it’s pretty pointless without gambling if we are being honest.
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

You can only enjoy horse racing if you bet on every race you watch.  Absolutely pointless sport apart from that.  

Also why do the horses not get the trophy?  Why is the jockey congratulated?  They are only passengers.

It's not like Mr Ed TJ as the horse will not make a speech 
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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

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Horse racing would not exist in its current form without gambling.  That's not a sustainable sport IMO.

When broadcasters list lineups for races with horse names/numbers/jockeys without listing the odds, I'll change my mind.

It would exist in a different form but I don't think anybody is saying it wouldn't exist in its current form without gambling. That's different to saying that nobody watches horse racing without gambling on very race which isn't true. 


Go way outta that son.

Who watches the 3.30 from Kempton Park without betting!

For the big races you'd have lots of people. 


The only people that watch horse racing without betting are too tight and just watch it hoping the people next to them lose their money.

Its a sport 100% connected and reliant on gambling and nobody would watch it otherwise. 

Again, you are portraying your opinion as fact and also conflating two different topics 
I go racing with people who don't bet on every race.
I've family members who would only watch some of the big races and don't bet.
I've met people who own small shares in horses who don't gamble and are in it for the love of the game.
And nobody is claiming that the sport and gambling aren't related. 



Ban them from gambling on any race and see if they still go.  You are flogging a dead horse here Gordon.

Your original point was this "You can only enjoy horse racing if you bet on every race you watch." 
Now you are saying they can't bet on any race. Make up your mind. 


He may be over exaggerating it a little bit he’s correct in essence what he’s saying! I don’t know one single person who watches horse racing without punting, it’s pretty pointless without gambling if we are being honest.

The point is that you may feel that way but not everyone does. They may be an minority but they still exist. 
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Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

There’s a great clip on YouTube from the Craig Doyle show years ago where John McCririck and Ruby Walsh are debating this topic and Ruby said he doesn’t care about the punters and he thinks racing would exist without betting and McCririck told him it would exist only by rich men racing their horses in their big estates and nobody watching. Ruby came across very badly and started acting very childish i recommend people have a look.

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