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Football against the enemy by Simon Kuper , Half way thought decent read so far. 
Far and away the greatest book on football. Absolutely flawless.

Have to say the best chapter so far was about the Hertha Berlin fan living in the East 

Finished this today definitely recommend it 
It has been a while since I read it, I must pick up another copy.

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yeah it was an excellent read. Nearly finished Bedroom Secrets Of the Masterchefs by Irvine Welsh. Thoroughly enjoyable
Really? I thought it was his least enjoyable novel, although I haven't read 'Dead Man's Trousers' and one another. As soon as he 'leaves' Scotland his standard deteriorates. He should stick in Edinburgh.

Defo agree with you on that. Generally speaking, most of his more recent work isn't great at all. 

I was a huge fan back in the day. It might have been that his style seemed new, the content was daring and I was a teenager at the time which amounted to a strong combination. 
Trainspotting, The Acid House and The Marabou Stork nightmares were brilliant. Ecstasy had it's moments as well. I can't say that I've really enjoyed anything since. He seems a bit of a one trick pony these days. 

I met him in The Stags Head a few years ago and made a show of myself by roaring Begbie quotes at him by way of introduction. It got the sort of response that it deserved. My missus loves reminding me about that as a cautionary tale regarding my relationship with gargle whilst dealing with the general public. I made a sheepish recovery a couple of pints later and we briefly discussed Hibs, Pat Fenlon and LOI for a short while. 

I see the reference to the "Spoonburners" in relation to Hibs in the Celtic thread and reckon Irvine would probably be chuffed.  
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Was gonna post the same McHammered, minus you making a boob of yourself. Read his stuff in my early 20s and found it repititive very quickly. 

Still love Filth his best book by a long way - I'd probably think it's sh*te if I read it now though, so I'll keep it for my 20 year old self Heart
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Football against the enemy by Simon Kuper , Half way thought decent read so far. 
Far and away the greatest book on football. Absolutely flawless.

Have to say the best chapter so far was about the Hertha Berlin fan living in the East 

Finished this today definitely recommend it 
It has been a while since I read it, I must pick up another copy.

Any recommendations ? 
Football related? A few I really enjoyed, in no particular order:

Brilliant Orange- Winner. An in-depth look at Dutch football

Calcio-Foot. History of Italian football.

The Game of our Lives- Goldblatt. The history of the English game

The Ball is Round- A history of the game globally. An excellent effort at the impossible

Black Diamonds and the Blue Brazil- Ferguson. A brilliant history of Cowdenbeath, an interest in Cowdenbeath, or Scottish football, is not necessary.

Inverting the Pyramid - Wilson. A history of tactics

Angels with Dirty Faces-Wilson. Mentioned a few times on here.  A brilliant book. He has a great style

A Season with Verona-Parks. Englishman meets Veronese wife, moves there and follows the team, home and away, for a season. This his only football book. All his other non-fiction books, particularly Italian Neighbours,  are excellent too. I tried his fiction, wasn't for me.

Among the Thugs- Buford. The best book on football hooliganism.

The Miracle of Castel Di Sangro- McGinniss. An account of the village club's season in Serie B

Stomping Grounds- Connelly. A little niche and geeky, but very enjoyable as he follows Liechtenstein around for a qualifying campaign

The Rebel Who Would be King- Auclair. Brilliant biography of Cantona

Barca- Burns. Excellent history of Barcelona

There's loads over the past 30 years, the one thing we can be thankful to Hornby for.
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Originally posted by MC Hammered MC Hammered wrote:

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Originally posted by thebronze14 thebronze14 wrote:

yeah it was an excellent read. Nearly finished Bedroom Secrets Of the Masterchefs by Irvine Welsh. Thoroughly enjoyable
Really? I thought it was his least enjoyable novel, although I haven't read 'Dead Man's Trousers' and one another. As soon as he 'leaves' Scotland his standard deteriorates. He should stick in Edinburgh.

Defo agree with you on that. Generally speaking, most of his more recent work isn't great at all. 

I was a huge fan back in the day. It might have been that his style seemed new, the content was daring and I was a teenager at the time which amounted to a strong combination. 
Trainspotting, The Acid House and The Marabou Stork nightmares were brilliant. Ecstasy had it's moments as well. I can't say that I've really enjoyed anything since. He seems a bit of a one trick pony these days. 

I met him in The Stags Head a few years ago and made a show of myself by roaring Begbie quotes at him by way of introduction. It got the sort of response that it deserved. My missus loves reminding me about that as a cautionary tale regarding my relationship with gargle whilst dealing with the general public. I made a sheepish recovery a couple of pints later and we briefly discussed Hibs, Pat Fenlon and LOI for a short while. 

I see the reference to the "Spoonburners" in relation to Hibs in the Celtic thread and reckon Irvine would probably be chuffed.  
The last book of his I enjoyed was 'Ride', which was panned by the critics. I think they are expecting every book he writes to be Trainspotting. He is best off sticking to similar, 'laddish' reading for the Trainspotting generation. You can't blame him for experimenting though. People will still buy it and he can test himself. He might even get one right!

Did he acknowledge the Begbie impersonator?
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Originally posted by MC Hammered MC Hammered wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by thebronze14 thebronze14 wrote:

yeah it was an excellent read. Nearly finished Bedroom Secrets Of the Masterchefs by Irvine Welsh. Thoroughly enjoyable
Really? I thought it was his least enjoyable novel, although I haven't read 'Dead Man's Trousers' and one another. As soon as he 'leaves' Scotland his standard deteriorates. He should stick in Edinburgh.

Defo agree with you on that. Generally speaking, most of his more recent work isn't great at all. 

I was a huge fan back in the day. It might have been that his style seemed new, the content was daring and I was a teenager at the time which amounted to a strong combination. 
Trainspotting, The Acid House and The Marabou Stork nightmares were brilliant. Ecstasy had it's moments as well. I can't say that I've really enjoyed anything since. He seems a bit of a one trick pony these days. 

I met him in The Stags Head a few years ago and made a show of myself by roaring Begbie quotes at him by way of introduction. It got the sort of response that it deserved. My missus loves reminding me about that as a cautionary tale regarding my relationship with gargle whilst dealing with the general public. I made a sheepish recovery a couple of pints later and we briefly discussed Hibs, Pat Fenlon and LOI for a short while. 

I see the reference to the "Spoonburners" in relation to Hibs in the Celtic thread and reckon Irvine would probably be chuffed.  
The last book of his I enjoyed was 'Ride', which was panned by the critics. I think they are expecting every book he writes to be Trainspotting. He is best off sticking to similar, 'laddish' reading for the Trainspotting generation. You can't blame him for experimenting though. People will still buy it and he can test himself. He might even get one right!

Did he acknowledge the Begbie impersonator?
Remind you of any recent incidents involving rugby fraternity ???
 
Reading "Proof of Collusion" at the moment - don't think it'll get a good review on Fox
 
As regards football books - Castel DS, Only a Game (Dunphy), Behind the Curtain (Wilson) and The Football Man (Arthur Hopcraft) are my favourites


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Football against the enemy by Simon Kuper , Half way thought decent read so far. 
Far and away the greatest book on football. Absolutely flawless.

Have to say the best chapter so far was about the Hertha Berlin fan living in the East 

Finished this today definitely recommend it 
It has been a while since I read it, I must pick up another copy.

Any recommendations ? 
Football related? A few I really enjoyed, in no particular order:

Brilliant Orange- Winner. An in-depth look at Dutch football

Calcio-Foot. History of Italian football.

The Game of our Lives- Goldblatt. The history of the English game

The Ball is Round- A history of the game globally. An excellent effort at the impossible

Black Diamonds and the Blue Brazil- Ferguson. A brilliant history of Cowdenbeath, an interest in Cowdenbeath, or Scottish football, is not necessary.

Inverting the Pyramid - Wilson. A history of tactics

Angels with Dirty Faces-Wilson. Mentioned a few times on here.  A brilliant book. He has a great style

A Season with Verona-Parks. Englishman meets Veronese wife, moves there and follows the team, home and away, for a season. This his only football book. All his other non-fiction books, particularly Italian Neighbours,  are excellent too. I tried his fiction, wasn't for me.

Among the Thugs- Buford. The best book on football hooliganism.

The Miracle of Castel Di Sangro- McGinniss. An account of the village club's season in Serie B

Stomping Grounds- Connelly. A little niche and geeky, but very enjoyable as he follows Liechtenstein around for a qualifying campaign

The Rebel Who Would be King- Auclair. Brilliant biography of Cantona

Barca- Burns. Excellent history of Barcelona

There's loads over the past 30 years, the one thing we can be thankful to Hornby for.



Thanks for that. Have read a good few of that list. Must get around to The Miracle of Castel Di Sangro been recommended a few times now. 
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I forgot 'There's Only One Red Army', my favourite Irish sports book. 
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Originally posted by thebronze14 thebronze14 wrote:

yeah it was an excellent read. Nearly finished Bedroom Secrets Of the Masterchefs by Irvine Welsh. Thoroughly enjoyable
Really? I thought it was his least enjoyable novel, although I haven't read 'Dead Man's Trousers' and one another. As soon as he 'leaves' Scotland his standard deteriorates. He should stick in Edinburgh.

Defo agree with you on that. Generally speaking, most of his more recent work isn't great at all. 

I was a huge fan back in the day. It might have been that his style seemed new, the content was daring and I was a teenager at the time which amounted to a strong combination. 
Trainspotting, The Acid House and The Marabou Stork nightmares were brilliant. Ecstasy had it's moments as well. I can't say that I've really enjoyed anything since. He seems a bit of a one trick pony these days. 

I met him in The Stags Head a few years ago and made a show of myself by roaring Begbie quotes at him by way of introduction. It got the sort of response that it deserved. My missus loves reminding me about that as a cautionary tale regarding my relationship with gargle whilst dealing with the general public. I made a sheepish recovery a couple of pints later and we briefly discussed Hibs, Pat Fenlon and LOI for a short while. 

I see the reference to the "Spoonburners" in relation to Hibs in the Celtic thread and reckon Irvine would probably be chuffed.  
The last book of his I enjoyed was 'Ride', which was panned by the critics. I think they are expecting every book he writes to be Trainspotting. He is best off sticking to similar, 'laddish' reading for the Trainspotting generation. You can't blame him for experimenting though. People will still buy it and he can test himself. He might even get one right!

Did he acknowledge the Begbie impersonator?

He did turn on his seat to face me, narrowed his eyes, jutted his jaw out a bit and just stared silently in disgust whilst the giddiness drained from my body and a lump developed in my throat. Once the smile on my face was a distant memory, he turned back to the group he was with and proceeded with his conversation whilst I stood there like the absolute gimp that I was until my missus gave my elbow a little tug to jolt me back into reality and lead me back to where we were standing. Iain Dowie could have coined the term "bouncebackability" for my later attempt to save a bit of face with a more appropriate introduction. 
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If you are keen on Irvine Welsh then I'd strongly recommend "Lanark: A Life in Four Books" by Alasdair Gray. One of the finest books you will ever read.

On the subject of good football books:

I loved Stan Matthews lengthy autobiography "The Way It Was". A wonderful account of English football from the 1930's to the 1960s. I'm not sure if it's still in print however. 

"Heroes are Forever: The Life and Times of Celtic Legend Jimmy McGrory" by John Cairney was another that I enjoyed. 

"My Search For Celtic's John" by Tom Greig is probably the best football book I've ever read. 

It's a biography of Celtic & Scotland goalkeeper John Thomson who died of injuries sustained in a tragic, freak accident during an Old Firm game in 1931 at the age of only 22. The research Mr Greig underwent was remarkable and the book is a wonderful tribute to Thomson. This is long out of print but there are always a couple of second hand copies available online. Highly recommended.


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If you are keen on Irvine Welsh then I'd strongly recommend "Lanark: A Life in Four Books" by Alasdair Gray. One of the finest books you will ever read.


Cheers ET. I'll check that out. I've enjoyed some of Iain Banks stuff as well, another Scottish writer. The Wasp Factory was another book I read as a young lad that freaked me out in a good way. 

I'm currently reading "Prisoners of Geography" which helps to explain a lot of the historic and present day motives of the Worlds Superpowers. 
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If you are keen on Irvine Welsh then I'd strongly recommend "Lanark: A Life in Four Books" by Alasdair Gray. One of the finest books you will ever read.


Cheers ET. I'll check that out. I've enjoyed some of Iain Banks stuff as well, another Scottish writer. The Wasp Factory was another book I read as a young lad that freaked me out in a good way. 

I'm currently reading "Prisoners of Geography" which helps to explain a lot of the historic and present day motives of the Worlds Superpowers. 
Yeah, cheers ET. There is loads of Stanley's book on Amazon.

I enjoyed 'Prisoners of Geography', even if he is a bit of a smug Tory ****. I enjoyed 'Worth Dying For' more, being a 'flag geek' helps.
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Cheers ET. I'll check that out. I've enjoyed some of Iain Banks stuff as well, another Scottish writer. The Wasp Factory was another book I read as a young lad that freaked me out in a good way. 


Oddly enough Banks is someone whose works I've not actually read although a friend of mine loved his science fiction novels. 

When I was at school our puritanical head of the English department banned The Wasp Factory being done for book reviews and essays because of it's content. Ridiculous.

Trust me I think you'd really enjoy "Lanark". Gray the author, has described the great Irish writer Flann O'Brien as having being a great influence upon him.

I'd quite keen on reading some of O'Brien's work myself. Could anyone advise me where best to start with him ?
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Cheers ET. I'll check that out. I've enjoyed some of Iain Banks stuff as well, another Scottish writer. The Wasp Factory was another book I read as a young lad that freaked me out in a good way. 


Oddly enough Banks is someone whose works I've not actually read although a friend of mine loved his science fiction novels. 

When I was at school our puritanical head of the English department banned The Wasp Factory being done for book reviews and essays because of it's content. Ridiculous.

Trust me I think you'd really enjoy "Lanark". Gray the author, has described the great Irish writer Flann O'Brien as having being a great influence upon him.

I'd quite keen on reading some of O'Brien's work myself. Could anyone advise me where best to start with him ?

Weird. I literally just purchased Lanark based on your recommendation and The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien. Similar to yourself and Iain Banks, I haven't read any of Flann O'Briens books but this one is highly recommended
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I hope for all our sakes the Nobel prize winning economists advice on how to prevent the Euro from collapsing is taken on board by the bureaucrats in Brussels and Frankfurt. I doubt they will  Unhappy
 


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Cheers ET. I'll check that out. I've enjoyed some of Iain Banks stuff as well, another Scottish writer. The Wasp Factory was another book I read as a young lad that freaked me out in a good way. 


Oddly enough Banks is someone whose works I've not actually read although a friend of mine loved his science fiction novels. 

When I was at school our puritanical head of the English department banned The Wasp Factory being done for book reviews and essays because of it's content. Ridiculous.

Trust me I think you'd really enjoy "Lanark". Gray the author, has described the great Irish writer Flann O'Brien as having being a great influence upon him.

I'd quite keen on reading some of O'Brien's work myself. Could anyone advise me where best to start with him ?

Weird. I literally just purchased Lanark based on your recommendation and The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien. Similar to yourself and Iain Banks, I haven't read any of Flann O'Briens books but this one is highly recommended
The Third Policeman is one of the funniest books I have read. It is absolutely brilliant.

I walked into a charity shop earlier and the first book I saw was 'Football Against the Enemy', for a quid too.
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