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Zinedine Kilbane 110
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At the end of the day football is entertainment for the fans. The decisions need to be made within 2 mins imo. Anything around 5 mins is way to long. Hopefully diving is wiped out but it’s still happening with VAR. I’d have no problem with a red card for a deliberate dive. |
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Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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As I keep saying when deadlines are proposed for decisions, what's the rush? VAR or no VAR, the game is still going to take the best part of 2 hours anyway. If it's too long for some people, I'm sure there are plenty of other sports to watch.
We still talk about Paris 09, Brussels 81, Sofia 77, to mention three of many injustices we've endured down the years. That's just our team, let alone the rest. VAR Is designed to put a stop to all that. Better to wait a bit of time to get the right decision, than be still talking about the (consequences of the) wrong one decades later.
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Agreed, it doesn't take that long for people watching on tv to find out if it was the correct decision or not so the same should apply to the officials.
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alihau41
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you can say that, but that's a waste of a referral in order to relieve pressure for a couple of minutes. considering the fact that VAR will only be used around goal scoring opportunities/incidents, then I can't see how it can be used cynically, especially if a team is in a backs-against-the-wall situation and protecting a lead or holding on for a draw also, if you have 3 referrals per team, then yes, it gives the potential to use tactically. but one referral per team removes that aspect Edited by alihau41 - 20 Apr 2018 at 10:01am |
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Roberto Baggio
Robbie Keane UNBELIEVABLE JEFF Joined: 28 Jan 2010 Status: Online Points: 37154 |
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I wouldn't have a referral system at all.
Have it like rugby's VAR, not tennis. |
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lassassinblanc
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Well in rugby the captain of the team can ask the ref to have an incident looked into don't think there is any limit though. Of course respect for the ref in rugby is much better then football |
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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The referral system wouldn't work. It is much better in the ref's hands, and for limited calls. Things like goals, penalties and red cards. Beyond that, it's too much hassle.
The challenge flag works in NFL because of the stop start nature of the game. The system works in tennis because the outcome is simple: it's either in or out and the point is decided clearly (most of the time). But a referral system isn't used in rugby, because the game doesn't stop so frequently. In soccer, it probably stops less frequently, or certainly has the potential to last for some time before a natural break in play. A referral system is tough to implement without it having the potential to be used tactically. Let the ref make the referral if he sees fit. Let the VAR have a direct line to the ref's earpiece to alert him if he needs to go to it. But don't let the managers or captain have that right. Then, it easily becomes less about making sure the right decision is made (which is what VAR should be for) than about how to game the system. |
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Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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At the WC, decisions are taking nearer to 2 minutes than 5. Some of them are resolved in less than a minute, from the review called to the decision given, including the ref going to watch it. Fans and broadcasters in the stadiums know what's happening. While diving is practically non existent. All the earlier criticisms have been addressed, but we can't have it in the EPL or EC next season though. It takes longer to take goalkicks ffs.
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VAR: Cutting the crap out of football.
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eboue16
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Where it is though there seems to be a serious reluctance to book anyone. Victor Moses got away with about 4 and hes just one of many examples. The standard of reffing has been on a whole quite high and easy to see why no premiership ref got the gig. Imagine Mike Dean on the world stage with VAR. He'd be in his element
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On the whole it has been a success. It's not perfect but very few things in life are but it's a massive improvement and it has helped the refs and the teams massively. Good decision to bring it in .
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AKA pedantic kunt
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Roberto Baggio
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The narrative today from English pundits is how much of a disaster and waste of time it is.
Thought it was working well myself. They must be basing it on Harry Kane's 2 penalty incidents |
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Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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They didn't appeal for either of them on the pitch iirc.
In last year's Confed Cup, Chile had a stonewall penalty turned down in the semi final. They were later told it wasn't reviewed because they didn't appeal for it. So obviously if you appeal, you have a better chance of getting a decision reviewed.
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Excellent news. Old skool - "HOW'S HE REF ?" |
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bhob
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Isn't the VAR ref reviewing the footage at all times and it's their suggestion for the ref on the pitch to take a look at it again?
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bhob
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It's been confirmed that the VAR team did review the incidents and decided to do nothing about them https://streamable.com/i0thj
You'd have to think there's something dodgy going on here as they're both stonewall penos
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Roberto Baggio
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The refs seem reluctant to book players for diving in this tournament, even after a VAR review
Lad for Senegal's dive yesterday was as clear as day
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mbyrne15
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Massive shame alright, i think there has been at least 2/3 dives in every game, and i think not one yellow card shown for diving?
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Bob Hoskins
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This might have been answered in this thread. but what happens in this situation.
Ball goes into the box of Argentina, ref gives no penalty to Peru, teams play on and 10 seconds later Argentina score. VAR have told ref they were reviewing the incident in the box and that was a penalty |
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