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Devrozex
Jack Charlton Joined: 23 Oct 2010 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 7671 |
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That was a perfect example of it in action alright. Also thought that was a penalty.
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Territorial
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"If you know anything about football", you'd know that penalties weren't even introduced to the game until 1891, at the instigation of an Ulsterman, William McCrum of Milford, Co. Armagh: And even if you don't go back that far(!), you should still know that until this season (2019/20), it was specified that for a handball to concede a penalty, it had to be "deliberate". Of course that requirement was removed from 1st July, but it was still in place for the CL Final, where even UEFA's own technical report indicated that Sissoko's "handball" was not deliberate: "Indeed, just 21 seconds had passed when Sadio Mané checked back on himself on the left-hand corner of the Tottenham Hotspur box and chipped over the first cross of the night, with Sissoko standing barely two metres away, right arm extended to signal to a team-mate. The ball struck his underarm and Liverpool had their penalty." (See page 9) Edited by Territorial - 17 Sep 2019 at 12:23pm |
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Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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They don't have to say whether it's deliberate or not. The new handball rules came into force on June 1, the day of the European Cup Final. 25 seconds and 1 handball later, bang. The VAR team said it was "penalty 100%"
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VAR: Cutting the crap out of football.
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Hans Moleman
Roy Keane Muff: That is a lie and you are a liar Joined: 09 Aug 2012 Status: Offline Points: 10199 |
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Facts eh
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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Hans Moleman
Roy Keane Muff: That is a lie and you are a liar Joined: 09 Aug 2012 Status: Offline Points: 10199 |
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Bang it's a penalty
Planning, do you understand that the majority of handballs by players in their own box will not result in penalties? Which is exactly correct as per the laws of the game, both current and past.
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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Roberto Baggio
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Did you know that in a Roy of the Rovers sketch from the 1970s, a VAR type decision was made on the big screen in the stadium.
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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Really? Any links?
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FrankosHereNow
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Looked like Robertson got a touch on that. Why didn’t it go to VAR?
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Sham157
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Edited by Sham157 - 17 Sep 2019 at 10:27pm |
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planning
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Of course I know when the penalty was introduced, but thanks for telling me what I already know, meaning there's nothing to add. What Hans needs to be reminded of again is, that you can't handle the ball in this sport since the 1860's, but he insists otherwise. So when a Valencia player handled the ball in the box on first night of the European Cup group phase, he initially got away with it, as the "majority" of players do. The man from VAR though, he say no. Bang. Penalty awarded. One night. One game. One handball incident. One penalty awarded. Justice done on the spot.
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VAR: Cutting the crap out of football.
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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You do now, at any rate.
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Roberto Baggio
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No can’t find it on google They were talking about it on Talksport last week with a fella who used to make the comic strips
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Hans Moleman
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BANG!!! PENALTY AWARDED
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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TonyNotJack
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Should they have kept the rule even while using VAR that when it's incredibly close you favour the attacking team? That Spurs goal was the perfect example.
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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It’s a farce, it really is! Game on in the background here with no sound and nobody knows what is happening!
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Roberto Baggio
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it was a farce that offside call, but nice to see Spurs fans not chanting VAR today
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Offside is not incredibly close with VAR. It is a factual decision. The right decision was made again. Job done. VAR
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VAR: Cutting the crap out of football.
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SuperDave84
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You're being obtuse. As has been explained before, the frame rate and frame selection are huge issues with VAR. The maximum relative velocity of two elite level players sprinting in opposite directions is about 20 metres per second (10 metres per second each). The frame rate of the cameras currently used for VAR is the same as broadcast cameras and is 50 frames per second. That means, in one frame, top level players can move 40cm in opposite directions. In general, of course, it is a lot less than that (it is very rare to have a defender sprinting out and a forward sprinting through just as a pass is played, especially at top speed). However, positions of half that (where a defender is stepping up as a forward is sprinting through) are not exactly infrequent. And, where the position is as follows: In the last frame before the ball is released, the receiving player is onside; and In the first frame after the ball is released, the receiving player is offside; and Where the ball is released at some stage between those two frames (that is, it is in contact with the passer's foot in the first frame but not in contact in the second frame (I'm assuming a foot pass, rather than, say, a header, not that it makes a difference)); then VAR does *not* assist in making the factual decision of what position the receiving player was in at the point of release, for so long as the frame rate is 50 frames per second and where the pass occurs within the parameters above. I appreciate that is very rare but you simply cannot claim that VAR is flawless, especially where the frame selection is a human element. The decision may be factual but VAR has technical and human limitations that mean there may be circumstances where it does not deliver an answer that is guaranteed to be the correct one. There is no doubt it is better at giving correct results than what went before but it is not flawless and it does no favours to advocates for VAR to claim that it is. Simply put, on offside, VAR is better at making the correct decisions but VAR is not guaranteed to always make the correct decision.
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