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Might see ferguson get some minutes too
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Originally posted by J89 J89 wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by CillDara CillDara wrote:

Patrick Viera saying that Tayp Adaramola will be getting his PL debut before the end of the season. Don't know a whole lot about him but from the bits I've seen and read he could be one that will rise through the ranks very quickly. 


How many PL appearances by Irish players this season compared to other seasons, Tets? 


Had to look this up.
It's bad. Really bad.
As things stand, there's only been 138 appearances(96 starts + 42 introductions) by Irish players in the Premier League this season.
Before this season, the lowest total appearances was 2018-18, with 265(212s + 53i)
With two gameweeks left, it'll probably finish between 145 and 150 in total

West Brom and Sheffield United being relegated last season really cost us. In the 2020/21 season David McGoldrick, John Egan, Enda Stevens, Callum Robinson, and Dara O'Shea made 152 appearances between them. That'll be more than the entire Irish representation this season.



Tiny crumbs of comfort from the fact that Springett, and now Adaramola, are going to bump up the amount of Irish players who've featured this season.

Could really do with SU getting promoted, though I can't see them retaining Hourihane or McGoldrick.



They've already confirmed McGoldrick is being released, and agree about them retaining Hourihane either. If they're promoted Josh Cullen could be a viable option for them this summer. Think they were one of the teams that were said to be watching him.


Hourihane is a decent squad player for them, think they'll be happy enough to sign him on a free in the summer.
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Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by CillDara CillDara wrote:

Patrick Viera saying that Tayp Adaramola will be getting his PL debut before the end of the season. Don't know a whole lot about him but from the bits I've seen and read he could be one that will rise through the ranks very quickly. 

How many PL appearances by Irish players this season compared to other seasons, Tets? 


Had to look this up.
It's bad. Really bad.
As things stand, there's only been 138 appearances(96 starts + 42 introductions) by Irish players in the Premier League this season.
Before this season, the lowest total appearances was 2018-18, with 265(212s + 53i)
With two gameweeks left, it'll probably finish between 145 and 150 in total

West Brom and Sheffield United being relegated last season really cost us. In the 2020/21 season David McGoldrick, John Egan, Enda Stevens, Callum Robinson, and Dara O'Shea made 152 appearances between them. That'll be more than the entire Irish representation this season.

At least, if Adaramola does feature, it won't be our worst year in terms of number of players to feature, as that would bring us to 16, one more than 2018-19.

The breakdown of players is interesting though - seven over 30s and eight under 23s (nine if Adaramola plays). Not a single Irish player currently aged 24, 25, 26, 27, 28 or 29 has played in the Premier League this season. 

I suspect nine Irish under 23s playing in the league would actually represent a good year compared to others - maybe Tets has the numbers for that?
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I'll get back to you on that
If/when Adaramola plays, he'll be the fourth teenage Irish player to appear in the PL, after Omobamidele, Ferguson, and Springett. There was none last season.
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Originally posted by Bandwagon Bandwagon wrote:

Originally posted by J89 J89 wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by CillDara CillDara wrote:

Patrick Viera saying that Tayp Adaramola will be getting his PL debut before the end of the season. Don't know a whole lot about him but from the bits I've seen and read he could be one that will rise through the ranks very quickly. 


How many PL appearances by Irish players this season compared to other seasons, Tets? 


Had to look this up.
It's bad. Really bad.
As things stand, there's only been 138 appearances(96 starts + 42 introductions) by Irish players in the Premier League this season.
Before this season, the lowest total appearances was 2018-18, with 265(212s + 53i)
With two gameweeks left, it'll probably finish between 145 and 150 in total

West Brom and Sheffield United being relegated last season really cost us. In the 2020/21 season David McGoldrick, John Egan, Enda Stevens, Callum Robinson, and Dara O'Shea made 152 appearances between them. That'll be more than the entire Irish representation this season.



Tiny crumbs of comfort from the fact that Springett, and now Adaramola, are going to bump up the amount of Irish players who've featured this season.

Could really do with SU getting promoted, though I can't see them retaining Hourihane or McGoldrick.



They've already confirmed McGoldrick is being released, and agree about them retaining Hourihane either. If they're promoted Josh Cullen could be a viable option for them this summer. Think they were one of the teams that were said to be watching him.


Hourihane is a decent squad player for them, think they'll be happy enough to sign him on a free in the summer.


Possibly, think it also depends on what division they're in and whether they cash in on Sander Berge. Even with the players they have now in midfield they'd need a better player to replace Fleck or Norwood which would make Hourihane fifth choice. Would be a fair few quid to sign Hourihane as fifth choice when there's other positions that need strengthening.
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Just re Adaramola - born and raised in Ireland (and capped for us underage). 

However, I believe (but am open to correction) that he is technically eligible for England under the 5 year residency/schooling rule.
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by CillDara CillDara wrote:

Patrick Viera saying that Tayp Adaramola will be getting his PL debut before the end of the season. Don't know a whole lot about him but from the bits I've seen and read he could be one that will rise through the ranks very quickly. 

How many PL appearances by Irish players this season compared to other seasons, Tets? 


Had to look this up.
It's bad. Really bad.
As things stand, there's only been 138 appearances(96 starts + 42 introductions) by Irish players in the Premier League this season.
Before this season, the lowest total appearances was 2018-18, with 265(212s + 53i)
With two gameweeks left, it'll probably finish between 145 and 150 in total

West Brom and Sheffield United being relegated last season really cost us. In the 2020/21 season David McGoldrick, John Egan, Enda Stevens, Callum Robinson, and Dara O'Shea made 152 appearances between them. That'll be more than the entire Irish representation this season.

At least, if Adaramola does feature, it won't be our worst year in terms of number of players to feature, as that would bring us to 16, one more than 2018-19.

The breakdown of players is interesting though - seven over 30s and eight under 23s (nine if Adaramola plays). Not a single Irish player currently aged 24, 25, 26, 27, 28 or 29 has played in the Premier League this season. 

I suspect nine Irish under 23s playing in the league would actually represent a good year compared to others - maybe Tets has the numbers for that?
yep, currently eight Irish players under the age of 23 have appeared in this season's Premier League - Caoimhin Kelleher, Will Smallbone, Aaron Connolly, Nathan Collins, Adam Idah, Andrew Omobamidele, Evan Ferguson, and Tony Springett - Adaramola will be the ninth.
That's actually the most since the 2011/12 season, when eleven U23s played at least once - James McCarthy, David Meyler, Ciaran Clark, Shane Duffy, Seamus Coleman, Matt Doherty, Michael Harriman, James McClean, Anthony Forde, Will Keane, and Samir Carruthers
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Thanks for that. That 11/12 crop was a decent bunch, plenty of players there that went on to have good international careers. Unfortunately we didn't produce much after that for years until the current bunch came along.
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Thanks for that. That 11/12 crop was a decent bunch, plenty of players there that went on to have good international careers. Unfortunately we didn't produce much after that for years until the current bunch came along.
 

Hence why we are where we are unfortunately.

We have seen 8 players under 23 play PL football this season. For context Scotland have had 4 Wales have had 3 and NI have had O. According to transfermarkt we have had more then the other 3 home nations put together. 

Promising signs and Scotland are a decent benchmark having a real renaissance as regards producing young talent again.
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Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Thanks for that. That 11/12 crop was a decent bunch, plenty of players there that went on to have good international careers. Unfortunately we didn't produce much after that for years until the current bunch came along.
 

Hence why we are where we are unfortunately.

We have seen 8 players under 23 play PL football this season. For context Scotland have had 4 Wales have had 3 and NI have had O. According to transfermarkt we have had more then the other 3 home nations put together. 

Promising signs and Scotland are a decent benchmark having a real renaissance as regards producing young talent again.

Scotland and Wales are producing a plethora of players who get signed by big clubs; Aaron Hickey at Bologna looks like he'll be the latest. We may have more younger lads featuring but, let's be honest, it could go either way with the majority of them. Molumby got token game time last season but it looks like Championship football could be his ceiling. Connolly has gone backwards. Before that you had lads like Derrick Williams, Anthony Forde, Aaron Doran, Reece Grego-Cox, Michael Harriman etc etc who never pushed on after getting minutes in the PL.
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Thanks for that. That 11/12 crop was a decent bunch, plenty of players there that went on to have good international careers. Unfortunately we didn't produce much after that for years until the current bunch came along.
 

Hence why we are where we are unfortunately.

We have seen 8 players under 23 play PL football this season. For context Scotland have had 4 Wales have had 3 and NI have had O. According to transfermarkt we have had more then the other 3 home nations put together. 

Promising signs and Scotland are a decent benchmark having a real renaissance as regards producing young talent again.

Scotland and Wales are producing a plethora of players who get signed by big clubs; Aaron Hickey at Bologna looks like he'll be the latest. We may have more younger lads featuring but, let's be honest, it could go either way with the majority of them. Molumby got token game time last season but it looks like Championship football could be his ceiling. Connolly has gone backwards. Before that you had lads like Derrick Williams, Anthony Forde, Aaron Doran, Reece Grego-Cox, Michael Harriman etc etc who never pushed on after getting minutes in the PL.

Bit much to describe Wales and Scotland as producing a plethora of players at big clubs. I'd much rather have Nathan Collins at Burnley than someone like Ben Woodburn at Liverpool. These players tend to be overhyped based off a few cup minutes with a big club
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Scotland have produced a few alright, but they seem to keep producing left backs. Outside of left back they don't have too many at big clubs, just McTominay that is playing regularly at a top 6 team I think. I like McGinn a lot also, but he's not at a Champions League club or anywhere close to it.

Welsh players are fashionable at the moment off the back of Bale and Ramsay. They also tend to be overhyped though as a result, there's a trend of their players getting the big moves or a few breakthrough games and then not delivering - Dan James, Joe Rodon, Ethan Ampadu, Ben Woodburn and so on. Brennan Johnson is probably the one young Welsh player I particularly rate at the moment, the others still have it all to do.

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Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Thanks for that. That 11/12 crop was a decent bunch, plenty of players there that went on to have good international careers. Unfortunately we didn't produce much after that for years until the current bunch came along.
 

Hence why we are where we are unfortunately.

We have seen 8 players under 23 play PL football this season. For context Scotland have had 4 Wales have had 3 and NI have had O. According to transfermarkt we have had more then the other 3 home nations put together. 

Promising signs and Scotland are a decent benchmark having a real renaissance as regards producing young talent again.
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Originally posted by GreenDodger93 GreenDodger93 wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Thanks for that. That 11/12 crop was a decent bunch, plenty of players there that went on to have good international careers. Unfortunately we didn't produce much after that for years until the current bunch came along.
 

Hence why we are where we are unfortunately.

We have seen 8 players under 23 play PL football this season. For context Scotland have had 4 Wales have had 3 and NI have had O. According to transfermarkt we have had more then the other 3 home nations put together. 

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Big blow for the u21 and Colm Whelan who done his Cruciate.  Looked to be on the move in the summer too.



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Originally posted by Bandwagon Bandwagon wrote:

Big blow for the u21 and Colm Whelan who done his Cruciate.  Looked to be on the move in the summer too.



 


Would this potentially open up a place in the squad for Springett? Gutted Whelan is injured horrible timing for him too. Was about to manufacture a good move for himself to the next level.
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Awful for Whelan.

Would expect Johnny Kenny to get the call up, 4 goals in 5 games for the U19s this year (& the game he didn't score in was the England one where he went off injured after 30mins, but he'd already hit the post). As well as Evan Ferguson to return.

Springett is a winger, so wouldn't be a replacement for Whelan.


There'll be a major turnover of the U21s squad after the June games finish. I think only 6 or 7 current names will still be eligible for the next campaign (Ebosele, O'Neill, Odubeko, Ferguson, Phillips, Burns, Oko-flex - & those last 3 haven't played yet).



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