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Originally posted by cildaratown cildaratown wrote:

What are the chances Sean Moore declares for the republic? 
There was a report last week that he wasn't aware of any approach
Can't find it now which is very annoying
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Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

Originally posted by cildaratown cildaratown wrote:

What are the chances Sean Moore declares for the republic? 

There was a report last week that he wasn't aware of any approach
Can't find it now which is very annoying


Think that was the Cliftonville manager who said that when complaining about the article written.
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Probably just wanting to take the pressure out of the situation and off the kid to be honest so I wouldn't read too much into it until we get some confirmation one way or the other.
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We'll know in March whether he's in any NI squads or not, and isn't injured.
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Sean Moore 100% should be approached. disgraceful that Irish born players aren’t actively encouraged to play for the 32 county side. baffling given the pro active approach given to English born players. 
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Sean Moore 100% should be approached. disgraceful that Irish born players aren’t actively encouraged to play for the 32 county side. baffling given the pro active approach given to English born players. 

I disagree.
This is a child we are talking about.
Playing in a league with strong historic sectarian elements at some grounds.
He should be left alone until he comes out and makes a decision himself and let's be honest, he won't  and shouldn't do that until he is no longer playing in NI.
And what's the rush anyway.
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Originally posted by Fozz Fozz wrote:

Originally posted by mully_85 mully_85 wrote:


Sean Moore 100% should be approached. disgraceful that Irish born players aren’t actively encouraged to play for the 32 county side. baffling given the pro active approach given to English born players. 

I disagree.
This is a child we are talking about.
Playing in a league with strong historic sectarian elements at some grounds.
He should be left alone until he comes out and makes a decision himself and let's be honest, he won't  and shouldn't do that until he is no longer playing in NI.
And what's the rush anyway.

Absolutely don't agree. We should be making it as easy as possible for players in the 6 to represent us. The FAI should have a base in Belfast ot Derry
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Originally posted by J89 J89 wrote:

Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

Originally posted by cildaratown cildaratown wrote:

What are the chances Sean Moore declares for the republic? 

There was a report last week that he wasn't aware of any approach
Can't find it now which is very annoying


Think that was the Cliftonville manager who said that when complaining about the article written.
That was it
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Harry Vaughan to Hull .. he's one to keep an eye on. 


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Originally posted by Fozz Fozz wrote:

Originally posted by mully_85 mully_85 wrote:


Sean Moore 100% should be approached. disgraceful that Irish born players aren’t actively encouraged to play for the 32 county side. baffling given the pro active approach given to English born players. 

I disagree.
This is a child we are talking about.
Playing in a league with strong historic sectarian elements at some grounds.
He should be left alone until he comes out and makes a decision himself and let's be honest, he won't  and shouldn't do that until he is no longer playing in NI.
And what's the rush anyway.

he’s Irish… he should be strongly encouraged to play for the 32 county team by the FAI… sadly because of the nature of partition a pro active approach to players like Moore is required 
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Originally posted by mully_85 mully_85 wrote:

Originally posted by Fozz Fozz wrote:

Originally posted by mully_85 mully_85 wrote:


Sean Moore 100% should be approached. disgraceful that Irish born players aren’t actively encouraged to play for the 32 county side. baffling given the pro active approach given to English born players. 

I disagree.
This is a child we are talking about.
Playing in a league with strong historic sectarian elements at some grounds.
He should be left alone until he comes out and makes a decision himself and let's be honest, he won't  and shouldn't do that until he is no longer playing in NI.
And what's the rush anyway.

he’s Irish… he should be strongly encouraged to play for the 32 county team by the FAI… sadly because of the nature of partition a pro active approach to players like Moore is required 

If he is to be approached then we should know nothing about it.  Should be all confidential.
Fact that a child's career is being discussed, wth the possible negative implications of that to him and his family, doesn't sit well with me.
The sectarian trolls don't need a 2nd ask to act the utter bollox.
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Originally posted by Fozz Fozz wrote:

Originally posted by mully_85 mully_85 wrote:

Originally posted by Fozz Fozz wrote:

Originally posted by mully_85 mully_85 wrote:


Sean Moore 100% should be approached. disgraceful that Irish born players aren’t actively encouraged to play for the 32 county side. baffling given the pro active approach given to English born players. 

I disagree.
This is a child we are talking about.
Playing in a league with strong historic sectarian elements at some grounds.
He should be left alone until he comes out and makes a decision himself and let's be honest, he won't  and shouldn't do that until he is no longer playing in NI.
And what's the rush anyway.

he’s Irish… he should be strongly encouraged to play for the 32 county team by the FAI… sadly because of the nature of partition a pro active approach to players like Moore is required 

If he is to be approached then we should know nothing about it.  Should be all confidential.
Fact that a child's career is being discussed, wth the possible negative implications of that to him and his family, doesn't sit well with me.
The sectarian trolls don't need a 2nd ask to act the utter bollox.

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The issue here is that the article in the Belfast Telegraph from Steven Beacom to say that the FAI were going to approach Moore was written without any source or quotes. 
Was pure clickbait material written about a child who plays in a league that could probably see him get a lot of abuse for. 


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Moore plays for Cliftonville so is already used to sectarian abuse at certain Irish League grounds, though at nowhere near the levels common during the war years. I know nothing of Beacom’s sources or lack of them but there is always going to be speculation about these things despite the best efforts of managers like Paddy McLaughlin to shield young players like Sean from the media glare. Some players who made their Irish League debuts at 16 and went on to top level success ( eg Neil Lennon, Gerry McMahon, Michael Hughes, Stephen Morrow) did not have a choice at international level, others such as Mark Sykes recently did. West Ham are looking the favourites over about 20 other clubs to sign Sean and they already have several teenage NI players-Callum Marshall and Josh Briggs from Linfield, Michael Forbes from Dungannon Swifts and most notably Patrick Kelly from Coleraine who also played Irish League football at 16 spring to mind, there may be one or two others. I do think the FAI would be very remiss not to try to recruit a talent as special as Moore. Time will tell how all this plays out.

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Hey GC, 

What did you mean by this?

"( eg Neil Lennon, Gerry McMahon, Michael Hughes, Stephen Morrow) did not have a choice at international level"

That they weren't eligible or that they weren't presented with the option to declare for ROI?

I think we had a fairly involved debate about this a while back.  If memory serves, the conclusion was:
- players borne in the 6 counties were eligible, 
- but it wasn't the done thing / gentleman's agreement between IFA or FAI or something like that.  

With Alan Kernaghan being the example of the former point.  

As for Moore, he's Irish born and bred and of course the FAI should try and get him involved. 

Excellent point made above that the FAI should have representation in Belfast and Derry - at the very least, scouts going to games. 

We're a 32 county team - there is no controversy in saying that or acting on the basis of that truth.


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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Hey GC, 

What did you mean by this?

"( eg Neil Lennon, Gerry McMahon, Michael Hughes, Stephen Morrow) did not have a choice at international level"

That they weren't eligible or that they weren't presented with the option to declare for ROI?

I think we had a fairly involved debate about this a while back.  If memory serves, the conclusion was:
- players borne in the 6 counties were eligible, 
- but it wasn't the done thing / gentleman's agreement between IFA or FAI or something like that.  

With Alan Kernaghan being the example of the former point.  

As for Moore, he's Irish born and bred and of course the FAI should try and get him involved. 

Excellent point made above that the FAI should have representation in Belfast and Derry - at the very least, scouts going to games. 

We're a 32 county team - there is no controversy in saying that or acting on the basis of that truth.

Armstrong/Lennon etc could technically have represented Ireland alright, however, at the time very few people seem to have been aware that was the case. I think Lennon has basically said he would have if he had known; Armstrong is a slightly more unusual case. He's from a West Belfast republican background, big GAA family etc, but seems to view himself firmly as Northern Irish. Now whether hat was always the case or its a type of Stockholm syndrome from years of representing NI I don't know, but in any case he's never seemed anything but content with his lot.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Luis Amor Rodriguez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Feb 2023 at 7:06pm
Yep, that's what I thought. 

Armstrong - he's done well out of it, and a bit of the Stockholm Syndrome as you say LOL

Lennon - always liked him as a player and he was one that got away.  

I always thought Ferguson missed a trick there not signing him from Leicester - Lennon and Keane in midfield would have scared the life out of any midfield before the whistle was blown for kick-off. 

That's all done now.

It's clear we're a 32 county team and there is lots of talent in the North.  It should be front and centre of our development programme, as much as any other counties. 
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