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Like a few posters above I don't agree with the comparison to rugby. That is a true shambles. South African mercenaries arriving in Ireland playing for us 3 years later. I presume these rules were created so the likes of England and New Zealand could raid the best talent from around the world. It is an elitest sport after all.

Might as well rename teams "World XV selection based out of X, Y or Z".

But yes we will continue to see our talent drained by young lads moving to English clubs. Now obvious true Irish won't chose to represent England a few years later but despite what the woke crowd say obviously some people are more Irish then others.

Our national side is currently dog water and it frustrates me as a fan to see this unfold. 
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So many promising kids do not make it for one reason or another, sometimes bad decisions are a major factor. Look at Ireland underage winger Nathan Tormey, who turned down a new three year contract at Arsenal last summer and hasn't had a club since, though he did have an unsuccessful trial at Rangers in September. No guarantees how any young player is going to turn out so maybe too early to worry about Odubeko.
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No way he moved at 12/13. I saw him play for Crumlin and he then went on to join Joeys. 
He moved over in the summer of 2015, he was 12. 
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I know academy coaches at City and United. He moved over in2015 and was with City for a short while before switching to United. 
There was an article from the 42 that says he was first  spotted playing for an Ireland u15 selection,whilst a Joeys player. So no way he was 12
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You almost feel that if he declares for England, he'll turn turn to be a very good Premier League striker. Such is our luck at the moment 
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Originally posted by BigStrongMan BigStrongMan wrote:

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Originally posted by BigStrongMan BigStrongMan wrote:

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No way he moved at 12/13. I saw him play for Crumlin and he then went on to join Joeys. 
He moved over in the summer of 2015, he was 12. 
How do you know this?
I know academy coaches at City and United. He moved over in2015 and was with City for a short while before switching to United. 
There was an article from the 42 that says he was first  spotted playing for an Ireland u15 selection,whilst a Joeys player. So no way he was 12

Your the42 article linked so you can actually read what it says.

After his u13s SFAI cup win, which happened in 2015, he moved to Manchester in anticipation of joining City. How old was he in 2015? 12. He eventually got clearance to join United in 2016, which made him how old? 13. 

An "effectively u15s south of Ireland XI doesn't tell you how old he was. Citing an u13s finals match which was in 2015 and his joining of Manchester United in 2016 tells you exactly how old he was. 12. So, yes way he was 12 when he moved to Manchester. 

I've told you multiple time now that he moved to Manchester at 12, even gave you the specific time of year that he did. If you refuse to accept facts then frankly I don't care, believe he moved whenever the feck you want. 
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Originally posted by BigStrongMan BigStrongMan wrote:

Originally posted by IrishCanadian IrishCanadian wrote:

Originally posted by BigStrongMan BigStrongMan wrote:

Originally posted by IrishCanadian IrishCanadian wrote:

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No way he moved at 12/13. I saw him play for Crumlin and he then went on to join Joeys. 
He moved over in the summer of 2015, he was 12. 
How do you know this?
I know academy coaches at City and United. He moved over in2015 and was with City for a short while before switching to United. 
There was an article from the 42 that says he was first  spotted playing for an Ireland u15 selection,whilst a Joeys player. So no way he was 12

Your the42 article linked so you can actually read what it says.

After his u13s SFAI cup win, which happened in 2015, he moved to Manchester in anticipation of joining City. How old was he in 2015? 12. He eventually got clearance to join United in 2016, which made him how old? 13. 

An "effectively u15s south of Ireland XI doesn't tell you how old he was. Citing an u13s finals match which was in 2015 and his joining of Manchester United in 2016 tells you exactly how old he was. 12. So, yes way he was 12 when he moved to Manchester. 

I've told you multiple time now that he moved to Manchester at 12, even gave you the specific time of year that he did. If you refuse to accept facts then frankly I don't care, believe he moved whenever the feck you want. 
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A lot of idle speculation being posted about Odubeko. He is Irish-born, he has already played underage football for us, he was even called up for the squad last month, but West Ham wouldn't let him leave. 

There is literally no indication that he is going to shift allegiance for England. For a start, he's only played a few senior minutes, and he's not likely to get close to an English team that has such great strength in depth. Just look at his club mate Antonio. He's banging the goals in and he hasn't gotten a single cap. 

Very confident all this noise will blow over soon enough when the lad starts playing first team football and he goes straight into the senior team early next season.
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If this site didn’t have idle speculation and blind panic then what would we have?
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If this site didn’t have idle speculation and blind panic then what would we have?

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A lot of idle speculation being posted about Odubeko. He is Irish-born, he has already played underage football for us, he was even called up for the squad last month, but West Ham wouldn't let him leave. 

There is literally no indication that he is going to shift allegiance for England. For a start, he's only played a few senior minutes, and he's not likely to get close to an English team that has such great strength in depth. Just look at his club mate Antonio. He's banging the goals in and he hasn't gotten a single cap. 

Very confident all this noise will blow over soon enough when the lad starts playing first team football and he goes straight into the senior team early next season.


There's literally no indication that he wants to play for Ireland. He's continuously pulled out of squads for no reason. He can't be arsed to maintain a line of communication with the U-21 manager. He's made precisely no public statements about representing Ireland at underage level.

He follows England on social media and not Ireland, and has apparently told people in candid conversation that he is strongly leaning towards an England call-up, if possible.

Add all these things together and it would take a slow-witted or disingenuous person to think he's not harbouring thoughts of representing England.

There's an immediate precedent for this in Armstrong Okoflex, so it bewilders me why people get so defensive about it.

We're probably going to have to get used to it and try to understand it, if not endorse it. There are going to be eligible footballers with two sets of parents who're not Irish; some will feel Irish, some won't.

And please don't gatekeep someone's nationality because they once played an underage match for us. Patrick Bamford played for us at U18 level for Christ's sake.
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by Heimatklange Heimatklange wrote:

A lot of idle speculation being posted about Odubeko. He is Irish-born, he has already played underage football for us, he was even called up for the squad last month, but West Ham wouldn't let him leave. 

There is literally no indication that he is going to shift allegiance for England. For a start, he's only played a few senior minutes, and he's not likely to get close to an English team that has such great strength in depth. Just look at his club mate Antonio. He's banging the goals in and he hasn't gotten a single cap. 

Very confident all this noise will blow over soon enough when the lad starts playing first team football and he goes straight into the senior team early next season.


There's literally no indication that he wants to play for Ireland. He's continuously pulled out of squads for no reason. He can't be arsed to maintain a line of communication with the U-21 manager. He's made precisely no public statements about representing Ireland at underage level.

He follows England on social media and not Ireland, and has apparently told people in candid conversation that he is strongly leaning towards an England call-up, if possible.

Add all these things together and it would take a slow-witted or disingenuous person to think he's not harbouring thoughts of representing England.

There's an immediate precedent for this in Armstrong Okoflex, so it bewilders me why people get so defensive about it.

We're probably going to have to get used to it and try to understand it, if not endorse it. There are going to be eligible footballers with two sets of parents who're not Irish; some will feel Irish, some won't.

And please don't gatekeep someone's nationality because they once played an underage match for us. Patrick Bamford played for us at U18 level for Christ's sake.
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Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by Heimatklange Heimatklange wrote:

A lot of idle speculation being posted about Odubeko. He is Irish-born, he has already played underage football for us, he was even called up for the squad last month, but West Ham wouldn't let him leave. 

There is literally no indication that he is going to shift allegiance for England. For a start, he's only played a few senior minutes, and he's not likely to get close to an English team that has such great strength in depth. Just look at his club mate Antonio. He's banging the goals in and he hasn't gotten a single cap. 

Very confident all this noise will blow over soon enough when the lad starts playing first team football and he goes straight into the senior team early next season.


There's literally no indication that he wants to play for Ireland. He's continuously pulled out of squads for no reason. He can't be arsed to maintain a line of communication with the U-21 manager. He's made precisely no public statements about representing Ireland at underage level.

He follows England on social media and not Ireland, and has apparently told people in candid conversation that he is strongly leaning towards an England call-up, if possible.

Add all these things together and it would take a slow-witted or disingenuous person to think he's not harbouring thoughts of representing England.

There's an immediate precedent for this in Armstrong Okoflex, so it bewilders me why people get so defensive about it.

We're probably going to have to get used to it and try to understand it, if not endorse it. There are going to be eligible footballers with two sets of parents who're not Irish; some will feel Irish, some won't.

And please don't gatekeep someone's nationality because they once played an underage match for us. Patrick Bamford played for us at U18 level for Christ's sake.
Okoflex has played for Ireland more recently than England


As far as I know, he only started playing for us again because he couldn't play for England under the current rules. Again, it was plainly evident he would've played for England if he was entitled to.
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Odubeko has not refused an Ireland call-up, it was West Ham who didn't want him to go. Big difference. Until he actually refuses a call-up, or goes down the Declan Rice route of taking time out to think about his international career, it's daft to speculate.
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