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Originally posted by IrishCanadian IrishCanadian wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:


I'm curious as to what other ways the situation can be managed aside from simply calling up the players? Call up a player who has never made a senior appearance directly into the senior squad?
Yes. Why not? 

Wales and the north have both done it recently and Wales has easily been stronger than us. Our squad is sh*te, I don’t know why people think we’re above calling up youth players when better sides are doing it. USA does it, Canada does it. Basically every non-top side does it. 

Ethan Ampadu was eligible for us and his bloody dad even played for us. Wales had him in at 16. Wales have secured several very talented dual nationals by getting them in at 16-17 and showing them a setup with a good pathway for them. They offered something the likes of England couldn’t offer. Why are we not doing the same? 

Instead we’ve been handing debuts to 30 year olds and slowly integrating 25 years and calling them young. Our handling of it has been a joke. 

Create an enticing set up that makes young talented players invested in it and wanting to play in it. We need to help them as much as they are helping us. Just doing nothing and saying well if he feels Irish he’ll play for us isn’t how it works. And is exactly why we’ve lost the best talents and our set up is complete sh*t. 


Choose the biggest talents and get them up the age groups. Say Joe Hodge or whoever you deem worthy, England is offering him his age group. So all we do is the same? No, create an actual plan for him, show him the progression we’re offering is better for his career. Show them we care more about them. Give them a reason to feel connected to Ireland. Wales have done it and it’s worked tremendously. 

Someone like Hodge or Kelleher or others, are at top clubs. Clubs that are about 100x better than Ireland. So why do we need to wait for them to play for City and Liverpool before getting them into the senior squad? Wales called up Levitt, the North has called up Galbraith on the back of PL u23s matches. Manchester United is far better than Wales or the North so it’d be stupid to require them to be in the first team. 

If we’ve got a lad killing it in the PL u23s, get them into the senior squad. Get them integrated early. It’ll benefit us in the long run and it’ll benefit the player too. Getting exposure of a senior international cap at a young age and a good performance suddenly has better prospects on their door. Better loan offers or more first team football at a parent club. 

Agree with all of this especially the part on Wales and how they handle things
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Is this all based on Wales hammering us in one meaningless game?

Wales starting line-up plus subs in their Euro 2016 semi-final: Hennessey; Chester, Williams, Davies; Gunter, Allen, Ledley, Ramsey, Taylor; Bale; Robson-Kanu

In as subs: King, Collins, Vokes

None of them came were "young dual-eligible players" or "pathway players".

Three years ago we finished above them in the following qualifying campaign.

In their most recent qualifying campaign, they scraped through thanks to Welshmen Gareth Bale and Aaron Ramsey who played for Real Madrid and Juventus respectively.

In their last group game, the dual-eligible players were all Championship based or lower except Daniel James and one of the better players over the campaign was the near thirty-something Kieffer Moore.

I don't really see how what Wales are doing is applicable to our situation TBH.

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For me it isn't about results or the players they have. That is about age profile of the players, experience and raising their profile in general. If we were using this method we would likely have 3 players who are now playing for England and 2 worth 50+ million range. These lads got every benefit available from playing for Ireland including profile and used us as leverage. Not using our leverage early when they are trying to make it is mismanagement of resources. By the time the players hit the PL we have very little to offer in the way of raising their value and increasing their earning power. If they turn us down cut them for good from all squads. We need to be playing 2 or 3 players from our under 21 squad or even 19's against the minnows etc. focusing on one result and not a long term model that vastly increases our playing pool is pissing in the wind and in many cases we are just a feeder team for the English national team.
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Man City, Celtic, and Palace looking at Sinclair Armstrong from QPR according to this: https://www.goal.com/en/news/man-city-celtic-crystal-palace-qpr-ireland-wonderkid/1s6peuyr52adj13jnv95olyqu2

He’s only been there a hot minute, so it’s either agent bullsh*t or he’s tearing it up 
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Hope he doesnt go to Celtic anyway
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Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

Man City, Celtic, and Palace looking at Sinclair Armstrong from QPR according to this: https://www.goal.com/en/news/man-city-celtic-crystal-palace-qpr-ireland-wonderkid/1s6peuyr52adj13jnv95olyqu2

He’s only been there a hot minute, so it’s either agent bullsh*t or he’s tearing it up 

Out of contract in the summer. Only signed a short term contract, presumably to sign with a UK club before the effects of Brexit kicked in.
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Some positives for some of the young lads today -

Jason Knight - on the winning side for Derby again with Louie Watson an unused sub 

Conor Masterson and  Mark Travers get 90 mins for Swindon in a 2-2 draw.

Gavin Bazunu get another 90 mins for Rochdale

Anthony Scully scores winning goal for Lincoln today and is having a good season.


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Ciaran Brennan starts for Sheffield Wednesday against Everton.
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Ciaran Brennan starts for Sheffield Wednesday against Everton.


Ryan Francis Patrick Galvin also playing, surely?
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http://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/sheffield-wednesday-player-ratings-everton-19691372

Ciaran Brennan 7

Settled down well after an iffy start and gave as good as he got against a top class player in Calvert-Lewin. Has a cool head on young shoulders. The experience will aid his development.

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Alex Gilbert got 11 minutes off the bench for Brentford in the FA cup
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Originally posted by savo01 savo01 wrote:

Under 21 Squad

Gk Ian Lawlor 27 October 1994 (age 19) 2 0 England Manchester City

GK Justin Merz 27 September 1992 (age 21) 1 0 Germany Karlsruher SC

 DF Mason Watkins-Clark 1 January 1995 (age 19) 2 1 England Stoke City

 DF Jack Connors 24 October 1994 (age 19) 2 0 England Dagenham & Redbridge

 DF Bradley Garmston 18 January 1994 (age 20) 2 0 England West Bromwich Albion

 DF Shane Griffin 8 September 1994 (age 20) 2 0 England Reading

 DF Pierce Sweeney 11 September 1994 (age 20) 2 0 England Reading

 DF Sean Long 2 May 1995 (age 19) 1 0 England Reading

 DF Tommie Hoban 24 January 1994 (age 20) 1 0 England Watford

 DF Eoghan O'Connell 13 August 1995 (age 19) 0 0 Scotland Celtic

 MF Jack Grealish 10 September 1995 (age 19) 6 1 England Aston Villa

MF Kenneth McEvoy 4 September 1994 (age 20) 2 0 England Peterborough United

MF Jack Byrne 24 April 1996 (age 18) 2 0 England Manchester City

MF Darragh Lenihan 16 March 1994 (age 20) 2 0 England Blackburn Rovers

 FW Kieran Sadlier 14 September 1994 (age 20) 2 0 England West Ham United

FW Conor Wilkinson 23 January 1995 (age 19) 2 0 England Bolton Wanderers

FW Sam Byrne  23 July 1995 (age 19) 1 0 England Everton

 Recent call ups

DF Kevin Feely 30 August 1992 (age 22) 1 0 Wales Newport County v.  Qatar, 24 May 2014

DF Brian Lenihan 8 June 1994 (age 20) 1 0 England Hull City v.  Qatar, 24 May 2014

DF Bradley Lewis 24 January 1995 (age 19) 1 0 England Aston Villa v.  Qatar, 24 May 2014

MF Will Hayhurst 24 February 1994 (age 20) 3 0 England Preston North End v.  Qatar, 24 May 2014

MF Luke Gallagher 29 July 1994 (age 20) 1 0 England Burnley v.  Qatar, 24 May 2014

FW Michael Drennan 2 February 1994 (age 20) 2 0 England Aston Villa v.  Qatar, 24 May 2014

 

Under 19 Squad

1 Eric Grimes 4 February 1995 (age 19) England Leeds United 4 (0)

16 Shane Fagan 23 February 1995 (age 19) Republic of Ireland Shamrock Rovers 2 (0)

Defenders

4 Steven Smith 19 April 1994 (age 20) England Leicester City 3 (0)

5 Pierce Sweeney (c) 11 September 1994 (age 20) England Reading 5 (0)

2 Noe Baba 8 August 1996 (age 18) England Fulham 4 (0)

18 Sean Long 2 May 1995 (age 19) England Reading 0 (0)

15 Shane Griffin 8 September 1994 (age 20) England Reading 6 (0)

 Evan Finnegan 5 August 1995 (age 19) Free Agent 3 (0)

Midfielders

11 Sean Kavanagh 20 January 1994 (age 20) England Fulham 0 (0)

13 Carel Tiofack 20 May 1994 (age 20) Spain Cádiz CF 1 (0)

10 Luke Gallagher 29 July 1994 (age 20) England Burnley 7 (0)

7 Kenneth McEvoy 4 September 1994 (age 20) England Tottenham Hotspur 0 (0)

3 Bradley Garmston 18 January 1994 (age 20) England West Bromwich Albion 8 (0)

6 Brandon Miele 28 August 1994 (age 20) England Newcastle United 6 (0)

17 Will Hayhurst 24 February 1994 (age 20) England Preston North End 1 (0)

14 Adam Evans 3 May 1994 (age 20) England Burnley 1 (0)

Forwards

8 Kieran Sadlier 14 September 1994 (age 20) England West Ham United 7 (1)

9 Sam Byrne 23 July 1995 (age 19) England Manchester United 5 (3)

12 Sean Maguire 1 May 1994 (age 20) England West Ham United 3 (0)


Not one of these properly made it, bar Grealish, shows for all the hype players have underage, how difficult it is to make it. Let's hope this generation bucks the trend. 
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To be fair that must have been one of our weakest ever Under 21 and Under 19 squads, almost all players born between 1993 and 1995, a period from which we produced nothing domestically. I don't think it's in any way comparable to the 98-02s that we are watching coming through at the moment.

What's interesting is that the Under 21 squad includes players born in 1992 - the 92s were actually our last good year before the current bunch. Duffy, Brady, Egan, Hendrick, Horgan and Doherty were all born in 1992 so would have been eligible for that squad. I don't know if some of those players were already with the seniors by then or if it was just a really bad squad selection, possibly a bit of both.

When you read through the first page of the thread there is also a very poor Under 17 squad listed but there is also a general lack of enthusiasm from posters about the players included, other than Grealish and Byrne. I think it was clear enough from the outset that those squads had minimal potential.


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Originally posted by Doyler1993 Doyler1993 wrote:

Jack Charlton's ground-breaking exploits were supposed to serve as the catalyst for a home-grown breed to follow in the footsteps of a side that was heavily influenced by shrewd use of eligibility rules.

This narrative accompanied Brian Kerr's historic European U-16 and U-18 Championship wins in 1998, teams dominated by lads who were in primary school during the glory days.

Subsequently, the emergence of senior internationals from Waterford, Wexford, Tipperary and Donegal was cited as evidence of a regional spread arising from the major tournament buzz. We had Duff, Dunne and Robbie Keane too.

The tantalising hope was that the generation born after Italia '90 would come along and carry the torch with distinction. We could be waiting for a while.

As the first crop of '90s kids move steadily towards the prime of their career, just three established members of Martin O'Neill's squad are from that category. James McCarthy, who came into the world in November 1990, is the only guaranteed starter. Robbie Brady and Jeff Hendrick, both of whom turned 23 last month, are steadily making their presence felt.

Who else is there? Cyrus Christie (1992) made a good impression on his debut in November and looks like becoming a fixture around the group while Shane Duffy (1992) is on the fringes. Brian Lenihan (1994) and Ian Lawlor (1994) were called into the seniors to have a look but they've a long way to go.

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This is a worryingly small group, and what's particularly damning is that McCarthy, Christie and Duffy grew up in a different jurisdiction.

Brady and Hendrick are flying the flag for the home-grown brigade and they are a good distance ahead of their peers with O'Neill short of options from a sluggish production line. He inherited this problem.

Unfortunately, there's no evidence of a flood of emerging talent waiting to bring the average age down. If Jack Grealish (of 1995 fame) committed he'd be in with a chance - let's not go there today - and Watford's Tommie Hoban (1994) is a contender. Again, it's telling that this duo were raised across the water.

QPR's recent purchase from Galway, Ryan Manning (1996), has a fan base that rates him highly yet it seems unfair to heap expectation on the handful tipped for the leap simply because the absence of alternatives sharpens the focus. Former great white hope Conor Clifford, now on loan at Conference dwellers Barnet from League Two Southend, might relate to that sentiment.

This is why the encouraging soundings about a collection of starlets born in 1998 have to be treated cautiously. There needs to be more than one or two making headlines; strength in numbers is what constitutes a well-prepared generation.

World champions Germany had 11 '90s babies in their squad for the November friendly with Spain although their extraordinary resources mean Irish eyes must look elsewhere for a fair comparison.

Up the road, there's Northern Ireland who have defied all expectations by flying out of the blocks in their Euros race with a youthful dressing room; ten of Michael O'Neill's original selection for their last outing in Romania were born in the Britpop era.

Granted, a dearth of options has led to the ex-Shamrock Rovers manager looking at inexperienced performers that wouldn't get anywhere near the other O'Neill's panel but the simple fact is they are gaining knowledge that will stand to this group. South of the border, the emergence of a Paddy McNair type at a leading Premier League force would be very welcome.

Poland, who come to Dublin next month as group leaders, named ten products of the '90s in their party for the November trip to Georgia.

Iceland, a modest football nation with a league of similar standard to ours, have capped 19 youngsters from that age bracket in the last 12 months. They're second in their qualifying group and almost made the World Cup.

The list goes on. Everywhere you look, national teams are benefiting from an injection of fresh blood. Ireland, on the other hand, are becoming a very old side reliant on the late bloomers that are a feature of the current environment.

Seamus Coleman is a typical example, winning his first cap at U-21 level after growing up on the bruising League of Ireland stage.

It is seven years since the FAI went Dutch and appointed Wim Koevermans to oversee technical direction.

He was replaced by Ruud Dokter in 2013 and the latter's upcoming Technical Development Plan will outline his vision although he's learned about the idiosyncrasies of the football family in his attempts to complete the blueprint.

Dokter said after his arrival that it may take 10 or 15 years for some of his ideas to bear fruit, an observation which didn't exactly paint the previous decade in a flattering light. History will be unkind to the manner in which the Irish game reacted to its first taste of international success.

Competition from other sports doesn't cut it as an acceptable excuse when strong participation levels - which do hint at good grass-roots work - are considered.

Elite development is key and the transition to the 21st century has been painfully slow. If we're relying on the millennium cubs to raise the bar then a challenging period lies over the horizon.

 


Not a good sign at all and as I have pointed out on one of the threads already over half of our u19/21 squads are made up of english born players with the best players from u19/21 usually english born as well. 


This article from a few pages into the thread shoes that the issues with the quality of those squads were well known at the time. Interestingly the article notes that there was hope of more potential starting with the 1998 group and identifies that strength in numbers is vital to overcome the reality that some players will fall away after under 21 level.

As it has turned out the 99s, 00s, 01s and 02s have all been stronger than the 98 group that was identified in the article. It does seem that we are now producing the strength in numbers needed to to ensure that, even after the dropoffs, we produce enough decent players to feed through to the senior squad. But the lack of players produced from the 1993 to 1997 groups does put more pressure on the younger lads to fill that void.

The first five pages of this thread are an interesting read in terms of seeing how much we have improved in terms of producing decent young players. After that it drifts off into sectarian nonsense unfortunately.


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the one thing I would disagree with is with in the article is they feel other sports don’t impact us.
In my opinion there is a good chunk of players never give soccer a go properly or not especially outside if the city’s.

You can be sure there is decent inter county players who would have made fine soccer players if they had been more exposed at an underage level.

Our playing pool is limited and any loss is felt.
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FAI tv have a sort interview with Zefi. Speaks very passionately about playing for us
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Originally posted by BigStrongMan BigStrongMan wrote:

FAI tv have a sort interview with Zefi. Speaks very passionately about playing for us

Here's some of it:
https://twitter.com/FAIreland/status/1354013714635132929?s=20

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Originally posted by BigStrongMan BigStrongMan wrote:

FAI tv have a sort interview with Zefi. Speaks very passionately about playing for us

Good interview, although apparently they recorded it during a hurricane.

We don't need to worry about that lad's allegiances anyway.
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