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Was a poor performance. How many more times are they going to play that formation leaving the lone striker stranded like a boat wreckage at sea. Eventually when Kayode got on with Whelan we actually had a bit of presence and looked like scoring. If Crawford plays the same formation against Italy after that he should be shot. 

Don't know what the keeper is doing for the first. 2nd goal Ferry played well but is dispossessed he's at fault mainly. Bagan could get his head on the cross but that can happen. After that it was well worked. 

Bar Kilkenny and Coventry who played okay in midfield and Ferry when switched to the right the rest of them didn't cover themselves in glory. Mind the set up/tactics was so terrible it's far bigger then any one player. Tierney hadn't a great game but again we are hitting long balls forward to him just doesn't suit him.

The defenders are poor. Bagan like the rest didn't cover himself in glory but was very good in the first game think it's rubbish to say he's out of his depth. He proved in the Luxembourg game his qualities which do look like they would suit the wing back role. 

O'Connor I'm shocked people think he was good to me he really hasn't kicked on. I don't think O'Connor is a modern day full back his attributes don't suit it.

I don't get why Connor Noss wasn't introduced either after his impact the other night. Just not a good night all around and really now unless we get favourable results against Sweden we can forget about qualifying. You can lose a game of football but the 19s and 17s are tactically coached well. This team quite simply isn't.




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Manager is out of his depth was clear how badly we regressed when we lost 0-2 away to Italy 2 years ago when Kenny moved up to Senior Team.

There's no game plan at all.
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Manager is out of his depth was clear how badly we regressed when we lost 0-2 away to Italy 2 years ago when Kenny moved up to Senior Team.

There's no game plan at all.

That was Italys u20 team too because the u21s had covid issues. 
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As a nation, we don't produce good football managers. Which is strange, considering Scotland, Wales and even Northern Ireland always produce a good few managing in the top three divisions in England and the top division in Scotland at any given time.
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Loads of problems with this setup, anyone who watched the Denmark game during the summer would have been going into this campaign with low expectations. Crawford is a poor enough manager, but the team isn't good enough to qualify anyway.

Obviously the seven senior lads are a massive loss, you'd usually be down 2 or 3 to the seniors at this level, but 7 is most of the team. Especially up front, we just don't have the players to replace Connolly, Parrott and Idah and then not having Bazunu, Collins and Omobamidele at the back, it's a huge drop off there also. Smallbone and Knight in midfield as well, it's a virtual B team other than Bagan and Kilkenny really.

I think it's time to ditch the 4-3-3 at this level as well, it was supposed to tie in with the seniors but they don't play that way anymore and it's clearly not working at under 21, so probably time to try something else.
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Loads of problems with this setup, anyone who watched the Denmark game during the summer would have been going into this campaign with low expectations. Crawford is a poor enough manager, but the team isn't good enough to qualify anyway.

Obviously the seven senior lads are a massive loss, you'd usually be down 2 or 3 to the seniors at this level, but 7 is most of the team. Especially up front, we just don't have the players to replace Connolly, Parrott and Idah and then not having Bazunu, Collins and Omobamidele at the back, it's a huge drop off there also. Smallbone and Knight in midfield as well, it's a virtual B team other than Bagan and Kilkenny really.

I think it's time to ditch the 4-3-3 at this level as well, it was supposed to tie in with the seniors but they don't play that way anymore and it's clearly not working at under 21, so probably time to try something else.

Agree with most of that, especially ditching the 4-3-3. Mc Entee is a decent defender, so we should look to mirror the senior team's 3-4-2-1 imo. It would also give us a better idea of how these young lads might fit in to the senior set up if needed. 

I think youre a bit unfair singling out just Bagan and Kilkenny. Bagan didnt play well y'day but tbf he does look a prospect and is getting regular Ch football. Kilkenny played much better in the opening 2 games, the lack of game time since has clearly affected him, he got caught in possession a lot. Jake O'Brien has looked good and Coventry is a decent player at this level also. Amazed Noss didnt get the start after a good cameo vs Luxembourg. I wouldnt give up on the likes of Ferry and Gilbert either. However, those caliing for the likes of Kilkenny and Coventry to be called up to the senior squad last month were well wide of the mark, neither are close to ready yet imo. Amazing that Lee O'Connor got a senior cap, he really hasnt kicked on at all and he looks well short of that level.
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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Loads of problems with this setup, anyone who watched the Denmark game during the summer would have been going into this campaign with low expectations. Crawford is a poor enough manager, but the team isn't good enough to qualify anyway.

Obviously the seven senior lads are a massive loss, you'd usually be down 2 or 3 to the seniors at this level, but 7 is most of the team. Especially up front, we just don't have the players to replace Connolly, Parrott and Idah and then not having Bazunu, Collins and Omobamidele at the back, it's a huge drop off there also. Smallbone and Knight in midfield as well, it's a virtual B team other than Bagan and Kilkenny really.

I think it's time to ditch the 4-3-3 at this level as well, it was supposed to tie in with the seniors but they don't play that way anymore and it's clearly not working at under 21, so probably time to try something else.

Agree with most of that, especially ditching the 4-3-3. Mc Entee is a decent defender, so we should look to mirror the senior team's 3-4-2-1 imo. It would also give us a better idea of how these young lads might fit in to the senior set up if needed. 

I think youre a bit unfair singling out just Bagan and Kilkenny. Bagan didnt play well y'day but tbf he does look a prospect and is getting regular Ch football. Kilkenny played much better in the opening 2 games, the lack of game time since has clearly affected him, he got caught in possession a lot. Jake O'Brien has looked good and Coventry is a decent player at this level also. Amazed Noss didnt get the start after a good cameo vs Luxembourg. I wouldnt give up on the likes of Ferry and Gilbert either. However, those caliing for the likes of Kilkenny and Coventry to be called up to the senior squad last month were well wide of the mark, neither are close to ready yet imo. Amazing that Lee O'Connor got a senior cap, he really hasnt kicked on at all and he looks well short of that level.
 

I'd disagree slightly about the young midfielder Coventry/Kilkenny or Doyle's Hayes/Taylor being called up. Parrott isn't really ready but is called into the squad and rightly so. We had Arter coming of the bench. All 4 of these are actually playing at a higher level and Kilkenny is competing with the strongest set of CMs in the Championship. If he was with 20 other teams in the division he'd be playing imo. My one slight criticsm of Kenny that he didn't bring a young midfielder in off the bench even to see what how they did. Arter is not an alternative long term.
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Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Loads of problems with this setup, anyone who watched the Denmark game during the summer would have been going into this campaign with low expectations. Crawford is a poor enough manager, but the team isn't good enough to qualify anyway.

Obviously the seven senior lads are a massive loss, you'd usually be down 2 or 3 to the seniors at this level, but 7 is most of the team. Especially up front, we just don't have the players to replace Connolly, Parrott and Idah and then not having Bazunu, Collins and Omobamidele at the back, it's a huge drop off there also. Smallbone and Knight in midfield as well, it's a virtual B team other than Bagan and Kilkenny really.

I think it's time to ditch the 4-3-3 at this level as well, it was supposed to tie in with the seniors but they don't play that way anymore and it's clearly not working at under 21, so probably time to try something else.

Agree with most of that, especially ditching the 4-3-3. Mc Entee is a decent defender, so we should look to mirror the senior team's 3-4-2-1 imo. It would also give us a better idea of how these young lads might fit in to the senior set up if needed. 

I think youre a bit unfair singling out just Bagan and Kilkenny. Bagan didnt play well y'day but tbf he does look a prospect and is getting regular Ch football. Kilkenny played much better in the opening 2 games, the lack of game time since has clearly affected him, he got caught in possession a lot. Jake O'Brien has looked good and Coventry is a decent player at this level also. Amazed Noss didnt get the start after a good cameo vs Luxembourg. I wouldnt give up on the likes of Ferry and Gilbert either. However, those caliing for the likes of Kilkenny and Coventry to be called up to the senior squad last month were well wide of the mark, neither are close to ready yet imo. Amazing that Lee O'Connor got a senior cap, he really hasnt kicked on at all and he looks well short of that level.
 

I'd disagree slightly about the young midfielder Coventry/Kilkenny or Doyle's Hayes/Taylor being called up. Parrott isn't really ready but is called into the squad and rightly so. We had Arter coming of the bench. All 4 of these are actually playing at a higher level and Kilkenny is competing with the strongest set of CMs in the Championship. If he was with 20 other teams in the division he'd be playing imo. My one slight criticsm of Kenny that he didn't bring a young midfielder in off the bench even to see what how they did. Arter is not an alternative long term.

I'd have no problem with an additional young midfielder being called up and I'd say Taylor and Molumby are the closest, I believe Kenny name checked Taylor, but he is just coming back from injury. We had too many attacking options in the last squad and not enough midfielders imo. We can look at the likes of Doyle Hayes, Ronan and the U21 lads in March. Mc Carthy, (if he has any remaining interest) can still force his way back in to the squad at least, if he can get regular 90 minute stints with Celtic. I wouldn't give up on him just yet (assuming he remains interested which is unclear). Molumby may also get minutes for WBA over the next month with the injury to Mowatt.
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What are Taylor and Doyle-Hayes like as players? I haven't seen much but I remember thinking Taylor was a bustling presence in the middle and Doyle-Hayes has impressed moreso with his passing any time I have seen him. Do we fancy either of them to come good as a 6? Coventry is the one I like but feels like a similar player to Cullen?

Molumby has work to do in establishing his best position and refining it I feel.


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Originally posted by Eoink21 Eoink21 wrote:

What are Taylor and Doyle-Hayes like as players? I haven't seen much but I remember thinking Taylor was a bustling presence in the middle and Doyle-Hayes has impressed moreso with his passing any time I have seen him. Do we fancy either of them to come good as a 6? Coventry is the one I like but feels like a similar player to Cullen?

Molumby has work to do in establishing his best position and refining it I feel.

I haven't seen much of Taylor but Doyle Hayes has looked really good at Hibs. I wouldn't be surprised if he did get a call up for senior team. Both players though are over 21 so can't play for this team.

I'd leave Coventry at this level. He still has a lot to do to get in the senior team in my opinion. Good player though. 
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I think both Taylor and JDH are 8s really. Taylor is more of a box to box type, a bit like Molumby but with more of an attacking threat. JDH is more of a link player, doesn't score many goals but has a good eye for a pass and is able to pick out good forward passes. Gets about reasonably well defensively too.

Both would be worth a look in the seniors next year, both overage now for the 21s though.
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Taylor has fierce potential as a box to box player but he is incredibly versatile. Doyle Hayes is a ball playing CM can pick out a pass link up play. Can tackle too. Hopefully Johansson can play regularly for Fortuna Sittard too. Throw in Coventry/Kilkenny/Smallbone and all of a sudden you have a few young midfielders getting gametime at a decent level. It's needed as we are so light in that position.

Both decent players coming on and still young. Could see them going a fair way to top flight football if not playing it down the line. I do hope Taylor doesn't have any more hamstring trouble as we see with Obafemi that can be fatal to a player.
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Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Taylor has fierce potential as a box to box player but he is incredibly versatile. Doyle Hayes is a ball playing CM can pick out a pass link up play. Can tackle too. Hopefully Johansson can play regularly for Fortuna Sittard too. Throw in Coventry/Kilkenny/Smallbone and all of a sudden you have a few young midfielders getting gametime at a decent level. It's needed as we are so light in that position.

Both decent players coming on and still young. Could see them going a fair way to top flight football if not playing it down the line. I do hope Taylor doesn't have any more hamstring trouble as we see with Obafemi that can be fatal to a player.

Obafemi is still alive kevin 😂 I wouldn't completely rule him out just yet. 
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Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Taylor has fierce potential as a box to box player but he is incredibly versatile. Doyle Hayes is a ball playing CM can pick out a pass link up play. Can tackle too. Hopefully Johansson can play regularly for Fortuna Sittard too. Throw in Coventry/Kilkenny/Smallbone and all of a sudden you have a few young midfielders getting gametime at a decent level. It's needed as we are so light in that position.

Both decent players coming on and still young. Could see them going a fair way to top flight football if not playing it down the line. I do hope Taylor doesn't have any more hamstring trouble as we see with Obafemi that can be fatal to a player.

Obafemi is still alive kevin 😂 I wouldn't completely rule him out just yet. 

Fair. 😂😂 It is an issue if it keeps happening Seanie Maguire another actually blighted by injury. Worrying Obafemi only played 3 games for Swansea and he's out now again with an injury. He's talented but I do worry they will hold him back.
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Obafemi has crap hamstrings, often once you get a repeated problem with the same injury like that, it can be a major blight on your career. He also doesn't seem interested in playing for the Ireland under 21s in any case. Not sure if he'd also turn down a senior call up but it's not something he's in line for anyway at this point in time.
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