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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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Racism is rife in both countries. Irish people, and I include myself in this as I used to think that way, believe we cannot be as racist as Britain because they had an empire and are often racist to us. The fact we have a mindset that means we compare racism to that of other countries could almost be seen as racist itself! It’s partly why I have stopped regarding myself as nationalist, progressive or not.
I remember when asylum seekers first arrived in my town, their was a huge amount of hate towards them. I regularly heard people tell me they were getting everything for nothing. I was told the Poles were taking all our jobs. It may have been tonge in cheek to talk about Dubs and ‘foreignders’, but there is a kernel of truth in there. If we are to be comparing racism, and as I have already stated I don’t think it is healthy to do so, but if we must, we should have close to none in Ireland given our history. In Britain it is the last thrashings, hopefully, of an Empire built on supremacy. That shouldn’t excuse it, but it comes from institutionalised racism, particularly in schools. We don’t have that, yet we have Direct Provision Centres and high profile racist cranks like O’Doherty. We have a long history of racist political parties, not minor ones, but FG and FF love a bit of the old racism. If Ireland was as culturally diverse as England we would be even more racist. Instead of comparing ourselves to England on everything, how about trying to rid ourselves of it?
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coyne
Paul McGrath Joined: 17 Aug 2013 Location: Sunderland Status: Offline Points: 15881 |
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I dunno how you can even compare the 2 regarding racism
1 country has an MP who in the last 12 months described Muslim women as having faces like letterboxes and that they look like bank robbers. 7 months later he was allowed to stand for PM and won it! The English media are quick to act upon major racist incidents abroad but there's a bigger problem closer to home. Edited by coyne - 03 Dec 2019 at 8:49am |
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Jack Charlton Joined: 05 Oct 2011 Status: Offline Points: 6870 |
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I'm not sure about the Gemma O'D comment PM. Just because she exists, it doesnt prove much. She consistently tanks at the polls and is hugely unpopular. Her meetings are hardly on the scale that Tommy Robinson gets. A few clowns waving Irish flags outside Google is not exactly a movement. Undeniably, there is racism in Ireland but I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as the UK. We don't have any mainstream racist parties and our media is not on the same level as the sh1te they have over there. |
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Jack Charlton Castleknocker Joined: 21 Oct 2008 Location: Sunnyvale Status: Offline Points: 6821 |
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I dont think we are anywhere racist as the brits. They think everyone is below them were we have some empathy towards refugees and are more open and progressive than they are. There is racists in this country no doubt and are highly influenced by brit media, the same media that belittled us for many years. Much of the racism is brought about people looking to blame someone for their own sh*t life. Taking our jobs has to be top of the list of bullsh*t excuses and to honest I would rather employ some poor f**ker who travelled from Eritrea on dingys and in the back of a truck to come here to make a better life for himself than mick down the road who complains about doing an extra hour overtime and calls in sick on a Monday cause he was on the gargle all weekend.
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MayoMark
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They finally did it man... They killed my f**kin' car...
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Tony Cousins
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We didn't have any colonies to import diversity from.
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If the Tories get back in God help us (and I'm a atheist)
Labour through and through Jez we can We can do it
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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The fact she has a platform is enough. My point was that racism isn’t something that should be compared and be used for oneupmanship, doing so could be perceived as racist itself. I do believe that, given our history, there should be none whatsoever in Ireland. Also, and this is worth reiterating, nearly every Irish person, and I have been guilty myself, sees the travelling community as scum. There are few western nations with such appalling racism towards a single group, including the abomination that was/is Windrush.
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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I agree 100% on the travelling community point. They are roundly, routinely and wrongfully castigated. And I've been guilty too, making cheap jokes, and I'm not the only one. But on GOD, the fact she has "a platform" isn't Ireland's problem, it's a simple fact of unrestricted access to social media. Ireland isn't to blame that she's a melt on twitter.
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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The fact she is not treated as a complete joke, by everyone, is Ireland’s problem.
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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She lost her deposit in the last election and got 4.1% of the first preference vote. Given that even Screaming Lord Sutch has got a higher percentage of the vote than that (4.2%, Rotherham, 1994), that's surely treating her as a joke.
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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I don’t think 4% is enough of a joke, no. I would also question why she gets so much media coverage for that. I have absolutely no idea what Sutch has to do with this?
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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Sutch is literally a joke candidate who got more of a vote. 4% isn't ideal, of course, but it is still very low; the fact she lost her deposit demonstrates how unpopular she is.
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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He wasn’t really though! He was, essentially, the anarchist option for people who don’t believe in choosing their masters or for those who felt they didn’t have a candidate. I believe that while Sutch never discussed his political philosophy openly, for fear of undermining his own attempts at undermining, he was very much an anarchist. It may have been done as a joke, but like many jokes there was a seriousness to it. There are a lot of elections in history, both in Britain and Ireland, where I would have voted for such a candidate! It may demonstrate how unpopular she is, but only to an extent. She isn’t really a politician though, she is a journalist and as a result gets more media coverage than she deserves. She is Ireland’s Tommy Robinson, who himself got around 2% of the vote in the European elections in May. I feel there is a stronger comparison there. |
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I’d fundamentally disagree that Ireland and the UK are capable of comparison on an electoral level in terms of immigration related voting. Ireland has never really had a history of giving more than a token scratch to candidates who make immigration or immigration control a central aspect of their platform. A prime example was the paltry vote the ICP used get when it stood candidates under the banner. The votes never tolled more than several hundred and in combination wouldn’t amount to a quota in any other constituency. Equally, we have had a handful of independent candidates who are not party registered and are irrelevant to the point of obtaining double figure votes, and making absolutely no impact at all.
Two exceptions might be Libertas in 2009 and Casey’s presidential Run. But, in Libertas’ case, it very specific to EU integration under the Lisbon Treaty as opposed to anything immigration related. Casey seemed more set on the Trump style outrageous statement approach, employing the nonsensical “say it as it really is” mantra. But, the common denominator in those cases was the profile and the resources available. The resources provided an avenue for a platform so as a result it’s hard to know if their limited and comparable success was based on a right leaning agenda, or they had the resources to get it out. But, it should be noted that neither Casey or Libertas were elected to any office. When it has come to the conservative agenda, Ireland has not generally been guided by immigration issues, but by Christian values. The relatively high votes (compared with immigration control candidates) for parties like the CSP and the former iteration of the National Party speaks to this. This is in comparison to the UK who had council’s under the control of the BNP, and given them 1% of the overall vote at a General Election, while voting two members in as MEP’s. And that’s only one aspect. You could delve deeper into the phenomenon of people voting Tory for immigration issues, the reformation of UKIP as an anti immigration orienteered party, the myriad of small far right parties that get several hundred votes in each constituency etc.
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Can we get to f**k back to the UK election please.
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coyne
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+1. Some nonsense posted last 48 hours and it wasn’t just the idiot Tory Shinner
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Online Points: 10643 |
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Sorry, but why do people feel the need to backseat moderate discussions. It’s the “UK Politics” thread and not specific to the General Election.
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