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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Windrush was the product of a baying right wing racist Twitter and online comment sections mob (which the members of the now so called Independent Group were just fine with). 

So is this. 

And Javid, as somebody of Pakistani heritage, should be fooking ashamed of himself.

It's racism, misogynism and colonial arrogance all rolled into one. Pass the buck onto a country where the woman in question has likely never even been to, and which she may be eligible for citizenship of.

But sure what would you expect from a government whose buffoon of a previous foreign secretary made comments which backed up Iran's "reasoning" for imprisoning the British citizen Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe.

I'll say this for our government - they used their influence to get Ibrahim Halawa back to Ireland when if they'd listened to online racist gobsh*tes Halawa would still be being tortured in an Egyptian prison, if not dead.


It would appear not. You would think Javid would have checked this first...


I have only followed the headlines and not read anything past it. I presume there are lots of male fighters been refused entry back into the UK? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sid waddell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 hours 31 minutes ago at 5:45pm
The colonial arrogance of the Brits over this is f**king astounding. 

"Hey, Bangladesh, listen up! We're stripping this brown girl of her citizenship - against our own counter-terrorism strategy - and we expect you, our former colony, to pick up the tab and take her in. We don't care that she's never even been to Bangladesh. This is on your heads now. Know your place, piccaninnies, and do what your rightful master Britain tells you to do."

"Oh, and any chance of a favourable trade deal, while you're at it?"


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Martiponti Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 hours 58 minutes ago at 10:18pm
hey, that's pretty heartless.Those guys have family too
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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

You can’t have a British society that sees Mo Farah, for example, as a hero and at the same time rejects that Begum is British.
I understand citizenship is not the same as nationality, but the way it is being done, for political point scoring leaves it open to be interpreted as racist. Legally, she has an incredibly strong case, which backs this up. 


But you’ll notice that there has been very little done to champion her case from any side of the political divide, which is why I feel there is no racial aspect to this. Again, this returns it to the involvement of ISIS in this case. Also, there remains legitimate safety concerns which will have to be dispelled.

Legally, it will all come down to whether she will or will not be left stateless. The facts of that will only come out in the fullness of time as the process trundles on, however, she is being legally represented and will have due process available.
Here's a thought experiment. 

Let's make up a hypothetical case which hypothetically happened in 2015.

15 year old Lorna Kelly was born and brought up in Manchester. She's the daughter of a white Irishman, Seamus Kelly, born in Tipperary, who moved to Manchester when he was 22, and a white English woman, Louise (nee Prescott), from Didsbury, Manchester. 

The Kelly family live happily in Didsbury. Lorna is one of three siblings, the others being 18 year old Brian, who is taking his A levels this year and hopes to study engineering at the University of Manchester, and 13 year old Catherine, who has just started secondary school. 48 year old Seamus runs a successful plumbing business while his wife, 46 year old Louise, is a nurse in the NHS. Seamus and Louise's long hours at work mean that they often aren't around at home, and if they are, they're invariably tired or asleep.

As she progresses through Didsbury Comprehensive School, Lorna is suffering from what appears to be a reasonably normal case of teenage angst. She thinks she's depressed and doesn't have very high self esteem. Through school she meets Safiyah, a Muslim girl of Pakistani parentage who lives in nearby Longsight, and starts hanging around with her and her friends. 

Lorna meets Safiyah's brother Faisal, who is 18. Faisal has a controlling but charismatic personality. Lorna finds herself deeply attracted to him, the feeling is mutual on Faisal's part, and the two begin a relationship, which progresses quickly. Lorna feels that Faisal has given her something to live for.

But another part of Faisal's personality is that he has been seduced by the ideas of the Islamic State. He comes from a family who are peaceful, but are devout Muslims. He rails against the racism he has experienced in his own life, but also what he sees as the colonial exploitation by the UK, the US and others, of Muslim majority countries, not just the Iraq War but Lybia, Syria, and Palestine. He becomes radicalised by online propaganda. He's extremely angry about what is happening in Syria and feels he has to do something. He sees the 2005 London bombs, the Lee Rigby murder and other attacks like Madrid and the Charlie Hebdo massacre and the Tunisian beach massacre as justified blowback for Western colonialism against Muslims.

During the course of their developing relationship, Faisal has influenced Lorna heavily with these ideas. Lorna has never been in love before now, implicitly trusts Faisal, and what Faisal says to her about the situation in Syria resonates massively with her. Within six months, she's almost as fervent in her beliefs about what is happening in Syria as Faisal is. 

Then Faisal decides the time has come to do something. He tells Lorna he's going to Syria to fight for the Islamic State. Lorna begs him not to, but Faisal is insistent that he is going. Lorna realises she can't stop him, so the next best thing is that she can join him. 

The two go to Syria. 

Faisal believes he is fighting in a just cause. But he is ruthless, and is not afraid to kill people in a brutal fashion. 

For a while, Lorna is happy there, but gradually she becomes more and more homesick, and on the rare occasions she sees Faisal, he becomes more and more controlling and manpulative. Nevertheless, by 2017, the two have got married. Lorna is now the archetypal "Jihadi Bride".

In 2018, Lorna gives birth to her and Faisal's baby. But by now, Islamic State are losing the war, Faisal has been captured by Assad's forces, and Lorna and her new baby are living in a refugee camp in Idlib, alone and desperate. She does not speak Arabic. Lorna wants to go home to her family in Manchester. And yet, she's still not sorry she came to Syria, and still believes in the ideas that Faisal has taught her. She thinks she still loves him.

Word gets out in the UK media about her situation. Despite being entitled to an Irish passport through parentage, Lorna only holds British citizenship. It's now 2019 and Lorna is now 19. 

Back in Britain, Lorna's desperate family, who have been bereft and going through agonies since she suddenly left in 2015, make representations to their local Labour MP, to the Home Secretary Sajid Javid, and in the media, to "please bring our daughter and her baby home". 

Because the family are "respectable" and "relatable" to Middle England, their plight receives a good deal of sympathy in politics, the media and in society in general, even in traditionally Tory areas and in the Tory press.

What happens?

Does Javid say "sorry, we're revoking Lorna's British citizenship, leaving her stateless, and let her stew on her own out in Syria"? 

Does he say "oh, she's entitled to Irish citizenship, let the Irish deal with her", especially with the backdrop of the Brexit crisis?

Does he f**k.

A white girl from a nice middle class family in Manchester does not have their citizenship revoked. 

And that's how it's impossible to deny that race is a major factor in Shamima Begum having her British citizenship revoked. 











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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Screaming anti-semitism is consistently used as the ultimate smokescreen for any pro-Israel mouthpiece which is primarily designed to shut down debate about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. They don't have any legal,moral or justifiable argument for the illegal settlements and excessive use of military force on an enclosed civilian population. 

Lets just switch the argument to anti-semitism as being the bigger issue rather than holding states like Israel to account. It doesn't have to be either or. You can be critical of Israeli foreign and domestic policy in a logical sense and still tackle anti-semitism at home. 
There is a lot of truth in that, unquestionably. I mean why would the Jewish Chronicle ignore incidents in the Tories but make a massive deal of any incidents in Labour.

The bigger problem, not just in politics or individual parties, is the muddying of the waters around what is and isn’t anti-Semitic, often by Zionists. At last years Labour Conference there were three supposed incidents, all from members of the Labour Friends of Israel, all of them made the news, all of them dismissed. Joan Ryan was involved in one. 
On the flip side of that, possibly as a result, you have people on social media who use horrific anti-Semitic racism to voice their anti-Zionism, which is not only needlessly wrong, but helps strengthen Israel’s hand here. They don’t need any help!

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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

Jeremy Corbyn has just said he thinks she should be allowed to return to the UK, incidentally.

And rightly so! she is a British citizen and should be allowed return. upon her return she should be arrested at border security, sent for trial and be given a fair hearing. it is as simple as that but instead it's been blown out of all proportions. 
it's nearly as bad as all the right wing loopers who have come out to  support and back Maduro in the media and on social media. 


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