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Henry Mountbatten-Windsor (so-called 'Prince' 'Harry') admits to the murder of 25 human beings in their homeland during the UK's colonialist war against Afghanistan (and, later, sundry other Arab states) yet he, and his supporters, consider the Sussexes the epitome of Woke. I think this simply exposes them, the elitist philosophy of Wokedom, and the whole capitalist industry that supports them.
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Starmer lacks messianic qualities. Unlike Tony Blair at the equivalent stage of his Labour leadership, in the mid-90s, Starmer can’t use personal charisma to suggest that a government led by him would be fresh and dynamic. Nor does Starmer have Blair’s advantage of only having to devise solutions for a relatively contained national crisis. In the mid-90s, public services were struggling after years of Tory underfunding, but the economy was growing and many voters were feeling quite upbeat, ready to believe Labour when it said that “things can only get better”.

The public mood is different now. And while the Blair era is clearly an influence on Starmer – from his use of Gordon Brown and David Blunkett as advisers to his shadow ministers’ revival of Blairite strategies such as being “tough on crime” and “reforming” public services – Starmer’s policy proposals and rhetoric increasingly suggest that he would go further than New Labour in trying to change the country. He feels he has no choice. As he summed up today’s Britain at the last Labour conference: “We can’t go on like this.”

He still has a careful, hair-shirt side as a politician, warning almost with relish that a Starmer government would have to “make very difficult choices”. But the state of the country is simultaneously forcing him to be more expansive. This expansiveness is not just about winning the election. If a Starmer administration produces policies that are too small for the scale of the crisis – what he calls “sticking plaster politics” – his carefully acquired reputation for competence won’t last long.

It’s also possible that he is finding being bolder quite exciting – more so than the miserably tentative “constructive opposition” of his leadership’s first phase. That a typically cautious Labour leader could end up being a conduit for public dissatisfaction with the country the Tories have created, and an architect of whatever replaces it, still feels quite an unlikely outcome. But we live in strange times.

  • Andy Beckett is a Guardian columnist

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Nicola Sturgeon resigning 
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New King coronated today. 

Head of anti-monarchy group, 'Republic' detained on the way to protest the event which is resulting in justifiable a backlash. 


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The English are a strange bunch.
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Good article.

"Charles III is a gormless halfwit whose coronation bears witness to a failed revolution
Britain is humiliated, infantilised and disgraced by its enduring tolerance of the monarchy. Any talk of progressive reform must include the abolition of this semi-feudal farce, writes JOHN WIGHT

Making matters still more abhorrent is the fact that King Charles inherited £650m tax-free from his mother, gets £350m a year tax-free from the taxpayer and has an estate worth £22 billion that’s never taxed — yet the still man can’t pay for his own coronation
THAT most famous anti-monarchist and defender to the death of democracy and meritocracy, Thomas Paine, was not a man who was minded to pull any punches when it came to his excoriation of the existence of a hereditary monarchy:

“Kings succeed each other, not as rationals, but as animals. It signifies not what their mental or moral characters are. Can we then be surprised at the abject state of the human mind in monarchical countries, when the government itself is formed on such an abject levelling system?”

Over £100 million of taxpayers’ money is being spent, but not on feeding the hungry or housing the homeless, of which there are millions across a land whose apologists never miss an opportunity to wave their Union Jacks while boasting that Brexit has made Britain great again.

No, it is being wasted on an upcoming pageant of semi-feudal garbage that should have been consigned to the dustbin of history way before now.

Making matters still more abhorrent is the fact that King Charles inherited £650m tax-free from his mother, gets £350m a year tax-free from the taxpayer and has an estate worth £22 billion that’s never taxed. Yet the still man can’t pay for his own coronation.

The House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, of which our glorious and noble monarch is a product, emanates not from London but Germany. The family deftly changed its name to the less Germanic-sounding Windsor under the judicious instruction of King George V in 1917 at a time when jingoism at home was all the rage and young working-class men from all over the country were being slaughtered by the thousand in the trenches in France, fighting the Germans.

Upon the death of Queen Elizabeth III at age 96 last September, Britain promptly turned into North Korea without the laughs. As I opined at the time:

“The sheer intensity of the outpouring of national grief in Britain over the death of Queen Elizabeth II at age 96 has been revelatory to behold.

“It merely confirms the extent to which we in Britain have been infantilised by this arcane semi-feudal institution and conditioned to revere a family whose only claim to such is an accident of birth and a legacy forged in blood and empire.”

Pity the nation that is lumbered with a “royal family” of sex pests, harridans, and chinless wonders. Prince Andrew had been filling his boots at Britain taxpayers’ expense for decades by the time he sat down for the now-infamous interview with Newsnight’s Emily Maitlis at Buckingham Palace in 2018.

The sense of entitlement emanating from him throughout the interview, the manner in which he seemed genuinely shocked and nonplussed when confronted by Maitlis’s forensic questioning of his relationship with American financier, sex trafficker and paedophile Jeffrey Epstein, provided an invaluable insight into the cloistered world of a family whose existence in the 21st century is a shameful indictment of our toleration of a class system that makes Britain more akin to a 19th-century theme park and museum than a modern democracy.

Matters weren’t helped by the palatial surroundings of Buckingham Palace in which the interview took place. That any society which purports to be civilised could balance such obscene ostentation with levels of poverty and despair that conform to a war being waged against its poorest and most vulnerable is astonishing.

“No, it was a shooting weekend... Just a straightforward shooting weekend,” the man replied to one of Maitlis’s questions, as if shooting weekends are par for the course — like popping into your local branch of KFC for some chicken wings.

The interview actually took on the character of a spoof at times, it was so toe-curlingly embarrassing — watching this big bag of useless royal wind sitting there with his chin hanging over his collar like a latter-day Jay Gatsby, blinking like a man who’d just emerged into the light after decades spent in the darkness of a world of obscene luxury and self-gratification.

He and the other royals are human mannequins, products of an institution utterly and completely incompatible with modernity, not to mention democracy.

Its popularity among a large swathe of the British public is a sad metric of their infantilisation and the extent to which the thousands who will come out to witness this parade of human detritus at the coronation in central London have internalised the tropes of the most entrenched and wicked class system the world has ever known since the fall of Rome.

The army of rough sleepers that colonises London today, the survivors of Grenfell, the 14 million living in poverty in Britain, all of those who’ve found themselves on the receiving end of a battering in the name of austerity this past decade, including the loved ones of the 120,000 who have died as a direct result, are entitled to ask when the revolution will begin.

The rest of us, meanwhile, are obliged to demand not merely economic or political change in Britain, but constitutional change. For the time, surely, has come to sweep away the gown and wig of semi-feudalism that underpins our major institutions — the Commons, House of Lords, judiciary and, yes, the monarchy.

“Every country where begging, where mendacity, is a profession, is ill-governed,” Voltaire once wrote.

The French Enlightenment philosopher knows the British better than they know themselves.


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Over in the UK this weekend at an unrelated event. Most people weren't really bothered by it all. I asked a few would they be having much interest and all answers were like "not really". It was on in the background on the telly but as said, people not really bothered. There'd be more sat around the telly watching an English football match if it was on you would imagine 
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Same. Most people I work with in London were making the most of the long weekend and heading off to the sun.
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Originally posted by cliffrichard cliffrichard wrote:

Same. Most people I work with in London were making the most of the long weekend and heading off to the sun.

Over 20 million watched it according to sky news
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Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Over in the UK this weekend at an unrelated event. Most people weren't really bothered by it all. I asked a few would they be having much interest and all answers were like "not really". It was on in the background on the telly but as said, people not really bothered. There'd be more sat around the telly watching an English football match if it was on you would imagine 

Over 20 million watched it according to sky news

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Over 20 million watched it according to sky news

Most of it though was getting to be ‘part of it.’ In reality, people being event junkies, and that has been the case with Royal events for years, especially after Diana died in 1997. Most people were more interested in drinking Pimms and Prosecco, and talking with their mates, and using it as an excuse for a party. I don’t think it reflects staunch royalist in any way.
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Originally posted by Given's zimmerframe Given's zimmerframe wrote:

Originally posted by cliffrichard cliffrichard wrote:

Same. Most people I work with in London were making the most of the long weekend and heading off to the sun.

Over 20 million watched it according to sky news

That would be less than 30% of the population though wouldn't it? Assuming it's England Scotland and Wales. Can't think of anything worse of a Saturday morning than watching a three hour mass. 
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That would be less than 30% of the population though wouldn't it? Assuming it's England Scotland and Wales. Can't think of anything worse of a Saturday morning than watching a three hour mass. 
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30% ish of the population watching that is quite a lot imo. Many of them cant afford tv sets
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Originally posted by Given's zimmerframe Given's zimmerframe wrote:


Over 20 million watched it according to sky news

Most of it though was getting to be ‘part of it.’ In reality, people being event junkies, and that has been the case with Royal events for years, especially after Diana died in 1997. Most people were more interested in drinking Pimms and Prosecco, and talking with their mates, and using it as an excuse for a party. I don’t think it reflects staunch royalist in any way.
 

I think you've made a good point there I was in a pub in Sunderland yesterday and they weren't showing the coronation (I asked the barman to put sky sports news on) in walked a group of woman dressed in red white and blue and not one of them asked for the coverage of that eejit Charlie's coronation they clearly just saw yesterday as a good excuse for a piss up.
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Johnson resigns as an mp ahead of the parliamentry findings

good riddence to bad rubbish , clown of a politician who didnt give a fuk about any body but himself 

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Language he used in his resignation was straight out of the Trump playbook, on the day Trump was indicted for crimes that will put him in jail. There are many more indictments to come on top of these. Bojo’s honours list on the way out was so outrageous that it will further rip the Tories apart and he will continue to attack Sunak from outside the party. FAFO time for these two sociopaths. It has been a good day.
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