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Dominic Cummings in being a **** shocker. A scientist we never heard of became front page news and this doesn't? I wish people could see through this.
 

Sums up the right wing press in the UK feckin bastards.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Double Maxim Double Maxim wrote:

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Dominic Cummings in being a **** shocker. A scientist we never heard of became front page news and this doesn't? I wish people could see through this.
 

Sums up the right wing press in the UK feckin bastards.
Very much so. Scum.
 

Absolutely and still there are people who can't see through them.

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That should be the correct response, but one in two people who could be bothered voting in England, did it for them. It's disgusting!
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The Tories have modelled the way they want to run Brexit Britain on the way Trump is running the US - and he in turn has modelled it on Putin's Russia. 

There have already been litmus tests of how far Johnson is prepared to go in destroying objective reality - his proroguing of parliament was one, the Russia report was another, his lies over barriers to trade between NI and Britain was another - and this is another one. 

Before all that there was the entire Brexit process - which was a massive gaslighting exercise.

As all these mount up, the path for the total destruction of objective reality and the path for fascism is greased. People just come to accept it - and that's the aim.

You can't do this without a compliant media to fight your corner and gaslight ad nauseum. 

Britain is just one arena where the entire concept of objective truth and any sort of accountability at all for kleptocrats is under mortal attack. 

And that's the road to tyranny.
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This is why we need people like Piers The Redeemer in our lives (I'm being serious) he's cutting the trend of the compliant media and saying how it is.

Such a shame this all came out when he's gone on annual leave, he would of had a field day LOL

But he did destroy poor Sadiq Khan before he went on leave - https://twitter.com/SocialM85897394/status/1263476910069297152

And then tweeted atleast Khan had the balls to come on the show unlike some LOL
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I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Cummings breaking the lockdown with impunity is an attempt by the Tories to ditch restrictions by the backdoor. 

Let's face it, the Tories neveer wanted restrictions, they wanted to let the virus run through the population like wildfire. 

When people see Cummings getting away with breaking the rules and being outright defended for doing so by the Tories, ordinary people will say to themselves, "well, if the Tories are breaking the rules, why should I follow them?"

Which is likely the point of the whole thing - and the Tories don't have to go against the scientists - they can just blame the end of restrictions and the resulting rise in cases and deaths on ordinary people. 

"Wasn't our fault, guv, it was the people wot done it".






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I think that may be the last time we see Jenny Harries at those stupid daily conferences.

Chief Medical Officer and defending Cummings and giving out contradictory advice ffs. Public trust will be at rock bottom now.
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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Cummings breaking the lockdown with impunity is an attempt by the Tories to ditch restrictions by the backdoor. 

Let's face it, the Tories neveer wanted restrictions, they wanted to let the virus run through the population like wildfire. 

When people see Cummings getting away with breaking the rules and being outright defended for doing so by the Tories, ordinary people will say to themselves, "well, if the Tories are breaking the rules, why should I follow them?"

Which is likely the point of the whole thing - and the Tories don't have to go against the scientists - they can just blame the end of restrictions and the resulting rise in cases and deaths on ordinary people. 

"Wasn't our fault, guv, it was the people wot done it".




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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

The Tories have modelled the way they want to run Brexit Britain on the way Trump is running the US - and he in turn has modelled it on Putin's Russia. 

There have already been litmus tests of how far Johnson is prepared to go in destroying objective reality - his proroguing of parliament was one, the Russia report was another, his lies over barriers to trade between NI and Britain was another - and this is another one. 

Before all that there was the entire Brexit process - which was a massive gaslighting exercise.

As all these mount up, the path for the total destruction of objective reality and the path for fascism is greased. People just come to accept it - and that's the aim.

You can't do this without a compliant media to fight your corner and gaslight ad nauseum. 

Britain is just one arena where the entire concept of objective truth and any sort of accountability at all for kleptocrats is under mortal attack. 

And that's the road to tyranny.

There is a large segment of the British population that don't just stop at accepting it. No matter what Boris or the Conservatives do they will actively defend it and support it, like they are supporting a football team, particularly if Boris' actions get criticised by the "looney left". Boris could shoot someone in the street for no reason whatsoever and these people would actively defend him and seek to justify his actions. The whole situation over there is bonkers. 


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Originally posted by the_walls the_walls wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

The Tories have modelled the way they want to run Brexit Britain on the way Trump is running the US - and he in turn has modelled it on Putin's Russia. 

There have already been litmus tests of how far Johnson is prepared to go in destroying objective reality - his proroguing of parliament was one, the Russia report was another, his lies over barriers to trade between NI and Britain was another - and this is another one. 

Before all that there was the entire Brexit process - which was a massive gaslighting exercise.

As all these mount up, the path for the total destruction of objective reality and the path for fascism is greased. People just come to accept it - and that's the aim.

You can't do this without a compliant media to fight your corner and gaslight ad nauseum. 

Britain is just one arena where the entire concept of objective truth and any sort of accountability at all for kleptocrats is under mortal attack. 

And that's the road to tyranny.

There is a large segment of the British population that don't just stop at accepting it. No matter what Boris or the Conservatives do they will actively defend it and support it, like they are supporting a football team, particularly if Boris' actions get criticised by the "looney left". Boris could shoot someone in the street for no reason whatsoever and these people would actively defend him and seek to justify his actions. The whole situation over there is bonkers. 
Oh there is for sure. The whole right-wing culture war thing is designed to destroy the ability to think, to make everything tribal to turn people into a mob. When you do that, you can lead that mob anywhere. And there will never be a lightbulb moment.

When I say people come to accept it I mean the people who don't support the Tories. The whole thing is designed to wear opposition down, to make opposition feel hopeless. That's what all authoritarian regimes in history have done and it's a key feature of the strategy of the crazy right-wing autocrats or aspiring autocrats the world is currently landed with. They all use exactly the same tactics.
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The blame lies within the opposition and how they allowed themselves to be portrayed as in the media ever since Blair decided to leave the country in a mess and ever since then the media have majorly aligned themselves to the party ever since regardless of policies.

Brown was remembered as someone who was just lamb to the slaughter, there was absolutely nothing he could of done about that so he gets a pass for it.

Miliband was seen as a proper nerd, geek, soft as puppy sh*t, someone who you'd give a wedgie in school.

Corbyn was seen an extremist sympathiser but not all tabloids took that approach but ultimately they preyed on Theresa May's weakness rather than his.
Then Corbyn's new fame blinded him with ignorance and ended up with more problems than Jay-Z, the expression 'sat on the fence' he took the piss with, he built the fence more like and the media had him for breakfast which reflected in the result in December.

The fact Starmer is labelled as 'The country finally has an opposition' signals that the media saw the other leaders as very weak.


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Raab, Gove and Sunak have been out flat out defending Cummings, advocating the breaking of their own rules. 

And now a second breaking of the lockdown by Cummings has been revealed by the Sunday Mirror and The Observer.

The ****s have been reeled in beautifully.

But they'll still protect Cummings, because they have a mass media bullsh*t machine to queer the pitch in their favour.
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New witnesses cast doubt on Dominic Cummings’s lockdown claims | Politics | The Guardian @MIUI| https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/23/new-witnesses-cast-doubt-on-dominic-cummingss-lockdown-claims
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This is all good. The populist edifice is starting to fall apart. This is not what Bojo and Dom envisaged when they came into power and fantasised about turning GB into Singapore post Brexit. Pandemics, near death experiences , relentless pressure from a suddenly formidable Opposition and an escalating scandal enveloping the Dark Lord of special advisers were never on the agenda but such are the ' black swan' unforeseen and unknowable events that can alter the course of history. Let the show begin.
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Dream on. Nothing’s going to happen from all of this other than perhaps more relaxation on the restrictions, which was due in about 10 days time anyways. 

When you have such a huge mandate and the main media organisations on your side you could kick a baby in the street and get away with it. 
And even then Boris has history of hiding away from the media for a few weeks when he’s said or done something stupid to let it cook off


The only way it falls apart are on the more serious issues which divide opinions, like alot of senior Tories werent happy with the surcharge.


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Maybe. I do not possess a crystal ball. Popular opinion will determine what happens Cummings as a consequence of his goings. The anger about the antics of this posturing arrogant self-entitled malignant egotist is not confined to the Opposition parties , the Tory back benches or the Cabinet knife weilders-it is principally concentrated amongst the ever fickle electorate. Let's sit back and see how that develops over the coming days.

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Cumming's is not an MP, a member of the Cabinet or anything.

He is just a man in a suit, who happens to be very clever at making strategies for campaigns who tells Boris what to do, a de-facto unelected leader.

And people are saying he should be sacked, sack him from what exactly?! Remove his throat and amputate his hands? Because he's still going to be pulling the strings regardless of what job title he's given.
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