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Racism against travellers isn’t institutional? You get treated exactly the same in school if you aren’t Catholic?
Racist platforms aren’t supported because of the demographic. The fact that there are only sixty thousand Muslims and that we have Islamophobic candidates says it all.


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Greed has won, big finance has won. Whatever small role elite clubs still play in the local communities from which they grew is dwarfed now by their position as global brands.
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I think it's safe to say PM is spot on but the Tory boy is talking complete bollox. 

When is the next debate between Boris and Jezza? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Baldrick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Dec 2019 at 8:35am
Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

Originally posted by **** **** wrote:

Originally posted by the_walls the_walls wrote:

Originally posted by **** **** wrote:

Can we get to f**k back to the UK election please. 

Because that was such a worthwhile contribution LOL

Why don't you provide something to discuss?

Right I will give it a go! 

Mayo man drops the hand and some auld doll in coppers and thinks it's fine because he denies it all. So, if this happened in the UK would he get away with it? Or would he go boom boom boom Prince Andrew on it? 
FFS LOL

Was that a "mayo too" moment, allegedly. 
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Racism against travellers isn’t institutional? You get treated exactly the same in school if you aren’t Catholic?
Racist platforms aren’t supported because of the demographic. The fact that there are only sixty thousand Muslims and that we have Islamophobic candidates says it all.

I never said any of that.

I’ve been talking about voting patterns.
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Originally posted by **** **** wrote:

I think it's safe to say PM is spot on but the Tory boy is talking complete bollox. 

When is the next debate between Boris and Jezza? 

It’s safe to say you have nothing to contribute in spite of your backseat moderation.
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Andrew Neil’s 3 minute broadcast about the repeated refusals from Boris to be interviewed by him. 

f**king ouch LOL 


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Jezza just went full bat sh*t on Boris there in the press conference. The 15 page internal report could blow up on Johnson today. The debate tonight will be good 
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Originally posted by **** **** wrote:

Jezza just went full bat sh*t on Boris there in the press conference. The 15 page internal report could blow up on Johnson today. The debate tonight will be good 
 
If the leak of 'Operation Yellowhammer' government papers didn't blow up on Johnson then this won't either. It's down to tribalism now. Johnson will claim the paper was written ages ago and has been updated now or some other lie and will just keep saying get brexit done.
Walters coming back from an offside position but Shane Long was definitely onside- Shane Lonnggggggg.... has done it!!!!
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I think the key takeaway at the moment is that this will be the “Brexit Election”. I’m not surprised but the Tories will view this as a win as there are only five effective campaigning days left.

I still think the outcome is hard to predict.
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Originally posted by Stickittotheman Stickittotheman wrote:

Originally posted by **** **** wrote:

Jezza just went full bat sh*t on Boris there in the press conference. The 15 page internal report could blow up on Johnson today. The debate tonight will be good 
 
If the leak of 'Operation Yellowhammer' government papers didn't blow up on Johnson then this won't either. It's down to tribalism now. Johnson will claim the paper was written ages ago and has been updated now or some other lie and will just keep saying get brexit done.

You’re half right. He’s acknowledged the leak the problem is the English voter doesn’t give a damn about Northern Irish affairs.

The island could float off across the Atlantic and not many would care so it won’t impact anything in the election 
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

I think the key takeaway at the moment is that this will be the “Brexit Election”. I’m not surprised but the Tories will view this as a win as there are only five effective campaigning days left.

I still think the outcome is hard to predict.

I disagree. This is how the last election was billed, and history seems to be repeating itself, with the Tories, again, running a lacklustre single-issue ('brexit') campaign and the equally single-issue Liberally Undemocratic party again fairing badly. To ordinary people, this election is much more about the appalling wealth divide, the cost of living crisis and saving the NHS.

The Labour agenda proposed is, in relative terms, so radical, it dwarfs the EU In/Out debate.

We are at a crossroads. If Labour fail, the dream of a more equitable, egalitarian Britain probably dies. I'm just hoping and praying Jeremy does it.  We were far closer than many envisaged last time. This is huge.


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Originally posted by NewtNewbie NewtNewbie wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

I think the key takeaway at the moment is that this will be the “Brexit Election”. I’m not surprised but the Tories will view this as a win as there are only five effective campaigning days left.

I still think the outcome is hard to predict.

I disagree. This is how the last election was billed, and history seems to be repeating itself, with the Tories, again, running a lacklustre single-issue ('brexit') campaign and the equally single-issue Liberally Undemocratic, party, again fairing badly. To ordinary people, this election is much more about the appalling wealth divide, the cost of living crisis and saving the NHS.

The Labour agenda proposed is, in relative terms, so radical, it dwarfs the EU  In/Out debate.

We are at a crossroads. If Labour fail, the dream of a more equitable, egalitarian Britain probably dies. I'm just hoping and praying Jeremy does it.  We were far closer than many envisaged last time. This is huge.
Agreed. 
Greed has won, big finance has won. Whatever small role elite clubs still play in the local communities from which they grew is dwarfed now by their position as global brands.
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Originally posted by NewtNewbie NewtNewbie wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

I think the key takeaway at the moment is that this will be the “Brexit Election”. I’m not surprised but the Tories will view this as a win as there are only five effective campaigning days left.

I still think the outcome is hard to predict.

I disagree. This is how the last election was billed, and history seems to be repeating itself, with the Tories, again, running a lacklustre single-issue ('brexit') campaign and the equally single-issue Liberally Undemocratic party again fairing badly. To ordinary people, this election is much more about the appalling wealth divide, the cost of living crisis and saving the NHS.

The Labour agenda proposed is, in relative terms, so radical, it dwarfs the EU In/Out debate.

We are at a crossroads. If Labour fail, the dream of a more equitable, egalitarian Britain probably dies. I'm just hoping and praying Jeremy does it.  We were far closer than many envisaged last time. This is huge.

Brexit was a smaller issue in 2017. The campaign wasn’t actually billed that way at all. The Tories ran on no policies, and no Brexit plan. Their awful campaign was a major contributor to the outcome. This time they have engineered the Brexit approach, with the implicit help of te smaller parties.

I’d be more inclined to agree if polls had narrowed to the extent they were in 2017.


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Originally posted by NewtNewbie NewtNewbie wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

I think the key takeaway at the moment is that this will be the “Brexit Election”. I’m not surprised but the Tories will view this as a win as there are only five effective campaigning days left.

I still think the outcome is hard to predict.

I disagree. This is how the last election was billed, and history seems to be repeating itself, with the Tories, again, running a lacklustre single-issue ('brexit') campaign and the equally single-issue Liberally Undemocratic, party, again fairing badly. To ordinary people, this election is much more about the appalling wealth divide, the cost of living crisis and saving the NHS.

The Labour agenda proposed is, in relative terms, so radical, it dwarfs the EU  In/Out debate.

We are at a crossroads. If Labour fail, the dream of a more equitable, egalitarian Britain probably dies. I'm just hoping and praying Jeremy does it.  We were far closer than many envisaged last time. This is huge.

To be fair a week out from the 2017 election yougov predicted a hung Parliament. They had the Tories on 317 seats and Labour on 252. This time yougov has the Tories on 349 seats and Labour on 211. I think they might well be right again. To be fair I want Boris to win. His Norn Iron protocol is a gift to Irish Nationalists and is almost a United Ireland in all but name economically. I nearly couldn't give a sh*t if Boris runs the rest of GB into the ground. As long as there is no hard border most Nationalists in the north feel the same way.
Walters coming back from an offside position but Shane Long was definitely onside- Shane Lonnggggggg.... has done it!!!!
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While I am aware of the major polling companies' predictions, I don't have an enormous amount of faith in the polls given the events of a event years. I do think it will be closer than suggested, though if the Tories scrape together some kind of slim majority it wouldn't greatly surprise me either. The relentlessly negative media coverage in regard to Corbyn may eventually tell.

I rewatched A Very British Coup recently, starring the great Donegal actor Ray McAnally, and available to see on All 4. It's obviously a product of its time, and the parallels with Corbyn and Foot are obvious. But it was its comparison with the establishment's refusal to accept the EU referendum result that really struck me, with the civil service, British capital, foreign governments, rogue elements within the trade unions and eventually the British military, refusing to accept a democratic outcome. A large part of me wonders whether a socialist government would ever be allowed to come to power, let alone  implement its agenda and thrive.


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The bookies haven’t flinched at the MRP poll either.

2/5 for a Tory majority suggests the bookies think they will get around 320 seats.

4/1 for a Labour minority government suggests its not unlikely but some far out from 2/5


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Originally posted by Guppy Guppy wrote:

It’ll be a Tory majority returning more seats than last parliament and this socialist nonsense can do die somewhere. Crack on with Brexit, let’s get this tax cuts in and get on with the daily life again like we use too.. many years ago, before brexit was even a word. 

What next for labour when this fails. Couldn’t beat Cameron, a terrible Prime Minister in May and Boris Johnson. No obvious future leaders in the party and Jezza is stubborn enough to not step aside. They may go find the next Tony Blair or they’ll be sitting on that side of parliament for another decade. 


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Whatever the final results, the one thing we now know is that there is a need and an appetite for a democratic socialist party in Britain and there is one for the first time in decades. Blair won’t work anymore, because it didn’t work then, and he was years ahead of this sh*t show. 
Not everyone can see through the media haze, but they are slowly realising that Tories only care for themselves. Corbyn has been brilliant for people, he may well have been too nice and too honest in facing down an establishment that has tried every trick in the book to undermine him. 

Daily life for many is hardship, under the most despicable and cruel man it England it would only get worse. Only vile, cruel racists, sociopaths and idiots would vote for him; unfortunately there are plenty of them.

To highlight the media bias, again, Ian Austin, a relative political nobody, got more media coverage for telling people not to vote Labour than former Prime Minister John Major got for telling people not to vote Tory. To win in the face of that would be astounding, but I think there is a chance. 
Greed has won, big finance has won. Whatever small role elite clubs still play in the local communities from which they grew is dwarfed now by their position as global brands.
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