UK Politics Thread

When I say political, I mean that he is trying to court support of both sides by not stating a position, or saying anything. It’s “political” in the grubby sense of saying the “right thing” in order to court as much soft support as you can get. This was not his style. And that’s why this approach is transparent in this political sense

That would be partisan, which in fairness, is something Corbyn has been for the vast majority of his political career. To me, this smacks entirely of the “centrist” approach as a convenient way of avoiding hard questions, in an attempt to target as much of the political landscape as possible. The problem for Corbyn is that this is the wrong issue for that as people have made up their minds either way. Some favour getting a deal and leaving, some revoking or stopping it somehow, and others what a hard Brexit). Nobody wants the offer of a referendum which may not have the backing of its proponent. There are very few people who care how their side is represented and their wishes implemented. It’s a sad fact of Brexit, as the mental gymnastics of both sides have been remarkable.

The data may be correct. But that doesn’t mean that Corbyn’s strategy has some how cracked the code. Like I said, it avoids having to answer the hard questions by saying “let the people decide”. This was the approach taken by Syriza in Greece during the final bail-out talks, and that proved a disaster.

My personal prediction is that both Tories and Labour will lose seats.

Het-field wrote: That would be partisan, which in fairness, is something Corbyn has been for the vast majority of his political career. To me, this smacks entirely of the “centrist” approach as a convenient way of avoiding hard questions, in an attempt to target as much of the political landscape as possible. The problem for Corbyn is that this is the wrong issue for that as people have made up their minds either way. Some favour getting a deal and leaving, some revoking or stopping it somehow, and others what a hard Brexit). Nobody wants the offer of a referendum which may not have the backing of its proponent. There are very few people who care how their side is represented and their wishes implemented. It’s a sad fact of Brexit, as the mental gymnastics of both sides have been remarkable. But at best it’s the veneer of compromise. In reality it’s trying to be all things to all people, on an issue that isn’t suited to it.

Stickittotheman wrote: coyne wrote: My personal prediction is that both Tories and Labour will lose seats. Lib Dems being the biggest winners, followed by SNP then Brexit Party with minor gains. End up in a rainbow coalition which will collapse within 6 months and another GE will happen. The last time a GE was held in December a Tory government called it and the said scenario happened, I think we'll see it again.   Brexit party will implode. They won't win a seat. SNP should make some decent gains. The Tories will have a majority. Labour will lose seats. The Lib Dems might gain a few. But nothing substantial. In the North SDLP to gain two- Foyle and South Belfast. Sinn Fein will end with 6 or maybe 7 if Finucane wins in North Belfast. Most likely 6 though. DUP probably end with 10 again. Lose South Belfast and gain North Down though Alliance have a shout there.

pre Madonna wrote: Swinson will do f**k all in Scotland, the SNP will clean up. They will get a mandate for a second referendum and, if they get it, it will sail through.

Edited by coyne - 20 Nov 2019 at 5:49pm

Newryrep wrote: pre Madonna wrote: Swinson will do f**k all in Scotland, the SNP will clean up. They will get a mandate for a second referendum and, if they get it, it will sail through.  They will not sail through it - they need to work out a position with an Eu land border which will require time

Newryrep wrote: The referendum result ?