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Originally posted by Bob Hoskins Bob Hoskins wrote:

I have switched my stance, I thought it would be better if they had another referendum and voted to stay in. But it would be worse if they came back in, the country is split badly over it so it would just be an ongoing in and out issue for ever. 

I'm undecided on whether a hard brexit would be worth the fun of seeing it happen Ermm
I think a hard Brexit will be good for the British mentality. The phrase 'mature as a nation' was bandied about in Ireland a lot, usually for no reason at all, but I think the harsh realities of a 'no-deal' Brexit might finally make Britain 'mature'.
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I feel this will also be another watershed moment in terms of trust of politicians, and that will be across the board. I have always been critical of irresponsible government, but this would be a remarkable diplomatic failure of a hard Brexit occurs due to the failings to agree an alternative.

The major problem is, the outcomes will not all be laid at the door of Westminster. Brexiteers who will regret their decision will point again at the EU for their apparent intransigence when it came to the negotiating table, and their rhetoric (Tusk’s is an example). Essentially, Brexiteers will still blame the EU for the failures in a post Brexit environment.
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after taking a flight home from England last night, sitting by two posh loud mouthed geebags going about how many horses and what land rover they have, I am hope england goes to sh*te after all this. Plus the idiots i work with who havent a fooking clue and just want their country back Confused but might not have a job in 2 years.

Brexit is like leaving a good job without having another to go to but you are  fully convinced you will get one in no time that will pay double and you can do what you like.
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The major problem is, the outcomes will not all be laid at the door of Westminster. Brexiteers who will regret their decision will point again at the EU for their apparent intransigence when it came to the negotiating table, and their rhetoric (Tusk’s is an example). Essentially, Brexiteers will still blame the EU for the failures in a post Brexit environment.

I'd seriously doubt that many would buy it. The harsh truth of the decisions will be there for all to see. And after a few years, there will very likely be a serious change of mentality that actually the EU for all it's flaws has done many great things for them.

Like Ireland, could you imagine what an absolute toxic dump we would be living in wthout EU legislation forcing us to clean up our environment? We have a pathetic record on our climate change quotas at present - what would it be like if we had our government doing it Embarrassed
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They are looking at putting a new Sellafield in Newry.
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Originally posted by Bob Hoskins Bob Hoskins wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:


The major problem is, the outcomes will not all be laid at the door of Westminster. Brexiteers who will regret their decision will point again at the EU for their apparent intransigence when it came to the negotiating table, and their rhetoric (Tusk’s is an example). Essentially, Brexiteers will still blame the EU for the failures in a post Brexit environment.

I'd seriously doubt that many would buy it. The harsh truth of the decisions will be there for all to see. And after a few years, there will very likely be a serious change of mentality that actually the EU for all it's flaws has done many great things for them.

Like Ireland, could you imagine what an absolute toxic dump we would be living in wthout EU legislation forcing us to clean up our environment? We have a pathetic record on our climate change quotas at present - what would it be like if we had our government doing it Embarrassed

So Ireland's too wee, too poor and too stupid to run its own affairs?
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Bob Hoskins Bob Hoskins wrote:

I have switched my stance, I thought it would be better if they had another referendum and voted to stay in. But it would be worse if they came back in, the country is split badly over it so it would just be an ongoing in and out issue for ever. 

I'm undecided on whether a hard brexit would be worth the fun of seeing it happen Ermm

 
I think a hard Brexit will be good for the British mentality. The phrase 'mature as a nation' was bandied about in Ireland a lot, usually for no reason at all, but I think the harsh realities of a 'no-deal' Brexit might finally make Britain 'mature'.
 

'Hard Brexit' is a prejudicial, dysphemistic term for 'giving the proles what they actually voted for'. When the British people voted leave the European Union, they obviously meant leaving the European Union and all of its institutions. To try and pretend now that people didn't know what they were voting for and the simple, binary question presented in the ballot paper was this extraordinarily complex, indiscipherable quandry, open to numerous interpretations is, very obviously, an offensive lie. In any case your much-hoped-for scenario of the working-class plebs getting what's coming to them, will never come to pass. It won't be allowed to. The UK shall never be allowed to leave the EU in any true sense. But for any right-thinking democrat this should give pause, because even if you're a fully-paid-up Euro federalist, you have to recognise this is a double-edged sword. If the establishment can overturn this 'once-in-a-lifetime vote', what other democratic mandate can they subvert and ignore, simply because it's contrary to the neoliberal orthadoxy?

For example, it's impossible to believe that a socialist Corbyn government government would ever be permitted to come to power and implement it's agenda. Which is bad news for those of us who campaign for such a thing.
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Every major Brexiteer said before the referendum that UK would not leave the SM and CU. The people were lied to and didn’t know what they were voting for. The fact that a quarter of people polled two weeks ago thought a “no deal” was remaining in the EU proves this. The political elite in UK have somehow convinced the underprivileged that the EU is to blame for all the problems in their lives rather than years of sh*t governments who don’t give a f**k about the people.
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Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Every major Brexiteer said before the referendum that UK would not leave the SM and CU. The people were lied to and didn’t know what they were voting for. The fact that a quarter of people polled two weeks ago thought a “no deal” was remaining in the EU proves this. The political elite in UK have somehow convinced the underprivileged that the EU is to blame for all the problems in their lives rather than years of sh*t governments who don’t give a f**k about the people.

The 'political elite', and their pecunious corporate backers, were, almost to a man - and quite revealingly so - in favour of remaining in the EU. It's difficult, then, you would think, for the pro-EU, Euro-nationalist lobby to then present their position as a radical, anti-establishment one, try as they might. But that doesn't seem to deter them.


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Sorry but who is actually stopping the UK from leaving "in any true sense"? They can leave any time they like. That doesn't mean that the EU has to cave into their demands. Quite rightly the EU is only interested in the EU's and it's members interests, not interests of the soon to be third country UK. It is up to the UK to make the decision if the pros outweigh the cons, including if a deal cannot be reached. The EU doesn't owe the UK a deal. In the even that a deal cannot be reached acceptable to both sides the UK can still leave if it feels the pros outweigh the cons. Absolutely no one is stopping them. 
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Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Every major Brexiteer said before the referendum that UK would not leave the SM and CU. The people were lied to and didn’t know what they were voting for. The fact that a quarter of people polled two weeks ago thought a “no deal” was remaining in the EU proves this. The political elite in UK have somehow convinced the underprivileged that the EU is to blame for all the problems in their lives rather than years of sh*t governments who don’t give a f**k about the people.


Would that not be a case of the people ova dare being a bit fick?  

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Honestly, I don’t believe it’s all about being think. I think it was a misplaced trust in democratic institutions to deliver a best outcome in unchartered territory. I think there was a relatively educated leave vote that believed that the UK and EU saw sufficient mutual benefits that they would hammer out a deal which brought with it many of the existing facets of being an EU member while being on the outside.These people simply didn’t bank on political events overtaking the vote (the 2017 GE) providing major power to Brexiteers, who have been willing to wear their Europhobia on their sleeve and really push for a hard Brexit, knowing that May does not have the numbers to pass votes without much more than token debate. Between the LD’s unwilling to vote for anything which represents Brexit, Labour leadership copping out of the debate to the point the party is as split on the issue as the Tories , and the DUP’s role as kingmakers, the outcome is looking ominous.

Ultimately, there was some serious naivety on the part of those who voted out believing a deal would be easily ratified. It’s akin to a contentious divorce where neither side is willing to give the other any quarter, and neither side have an interest in ceding too much to the other side.
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 English immigrants have ruined the planet stealing jobs from locals in other countries. They are leeches.  You can't walk down a street in Dubai now without seeing some white English person.  You'd swear it was England!  Ireland has more English immigrants than anyone.  Ruined our great country that we once had.

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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Honestly, I don’t believe it’s all about being think. I think it was a misplaced trust in democratic institutions to deliver a best outcome in unchartered territory. I think there was a relatively educated leave vote that believed that the UK and EU saw sufficient mutual benefits that they would hammer out a deal which brought with it many of the existing facets of being an EU member while being on the outside.These people simply didn’t bank on political events overtaking the vote (the 2017 GE) providing major power to Brexiteers, who have been willing to wear their Europhobia on their sleeve and really push for a hard Brexit, knowing that May does not have the numbers to pass votes without much more than token debate. Between the LD’s unwilling to vote for anything which represents Brexit, Labour leadership copping out of the debate to the point the party is as split on the issue as the Tories , and the DUP’s role as kingmakers, the outcome is looking ominous.

Ultimately, there was some serious naivety on the part of those who voted out believing a deal would be easily ratified. It’s akin to a contentious divorce where neither side is willing to give the other any quarter, and neither side have an interest in ceding too much to the other side.
 
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Originally posted by NewtNewbie NewtNewbie wrote:

Originally posted by Bob Hoskins Bob Hoskins wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:


The major problem is, the outcomes will not all be laid at the door of Westminster. Brexiteers who will regret their decision will point again at the EU for their apparent intransigence when it came to the negotiating table, and their rhetoric (Tusk’s is an example). Essentially, Brexiteers will still blame the EU for the failures in a post Brexit environment.

I'd seriously doubt that many would buy it. The harsh truth of the decisions will be there for all to see. And after a few years, there will very likely be a serious change of mentality that actually the EU for all it's flaws has done many great things for them.

Like Ireland, could you imagine what an absolute toxic dump we would be living in wthout EU legislation forcing us to clean up our environment? We have a pathetic record on our climate change quotas at present - what would it be like if we had our government doing it Embarrassed

So Ireland's too wee, too poor and too stupid to run its own affairs?

In many aspects yes, although it would be the same for most other countries too.
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Honestly, I don’t believe it’s all about being think. I think it was a misplaced trust in democratic institutions to deliver a best outcome in unchartered territory. I think there was a relatively educated leave vote that believed that the UK and EU saw sufficient mutual benefits that they would hammer out a deal which brought with it many of the existing facets of being an EU member while being on the outside.These people simply didn’t bank on political events overtaking the vote (the 2017 GE) providing major power to Brexiteers, who have been willing to wear their Europhobia on their sleeve and really push for a hard Brexit, knowing that May does not have the numbers to pass votes without much more than token debate. Between the LD’s unwilling to vote for anything which represents Brexit, Labour leadership copping out of the debate to the point the party is as split on the issue as the Tories , and the DUP’s role as kingmakers, the outcome is looking ominous.

Ultimately, there was some serious naivety on the part of those who voted out believing a deal would be easily ratified. It’s akin to a contentious divorce where neither side is willing to give the other any quarter, and neither side have an interest in ceding too much to the other side.
 
Second time this week I've read that on here.
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