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Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Originally posted by Dalymount79 Dalymount79 wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

The EU is bringing in a similar system to ESTA for citizens of 3rd countries wishing to travel to the EU. The UK is likely to be a 3rd country following brexit. What this means for the 9.2 million Brits with a criminal record is that they could find themselves unable to go on their sun holidays to the Costa That of course assumes ETIAS is applied in a similar way to ESTA. It'll cost €7 and likely to take 3 days to process.

What this means for the NI/Ireland border crossing is not clear. if a hard brexit occurs the ETIAS system makes the border harder. 


Doubt the spainish soild want to block that cash cow and what happens if I'm in Gibraltar and want to nip down to the local beach for an afternoon. (Current leaders of) Countries like Poland and Hungary on the other hand would welcome it to match their hard immigration vote getttins tactic.

It's happening. It passed the first hurdle today and will be in place in a few years. If anything the Spanish will push for it if it causes greater difficulty for those on the rock. 
But they won't block the 9m crims that's for sure - that's was my point. There will be special cases made for the likes of the UK and Norway.


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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

I dunno what you's 2 are laughing at mind.. They didn't list Ireland as the countries involved so you're paying the fee too! LOL

Non EU citizens good lad 

Ireland aint part of the schengen area and Ireland wasn't listed in the tweet

Hello Darkness My Old Friend.. I've come to talk with you again.

Ireland as a member of the EU enjoys the four freedoms. One of which is the freedom of movement. To put a barrier in place would be in contravention of EU law. 

Wouldn't be so sure you know. All the flags missing from that list are currently non-EU (or leaving the EU) countries except the Irish flag. Irish flag was the only EU country not to be listed.

Do think you's will get a bad deal from this.


Ah dude just stop. The four freedoms are the fundamental pillars upon which the EU is based on. As I said preventing EU citizens from crossing borders within the EU is illegal unless it can be demonstrated they are a danger to the country they wish to visit.

What ETIAS means for Ireland is that it is now unlikely that we'll end up joining Schengen - as it would immediately cause a problem for those in NI.

To answer your question I simply don't know what will happen after Brexit assuming it happens at all.

Ireland isn't in Schengen hence why the flag doesn't appear. We'll continue to flash our passports at immigration as we currently do.


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Originally posted by Dalymount79 Dalymount79 wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Originally posted by Dalymount79 Dalymount79 wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

The EU is bringing in a similar system to ESTA for citizens of 3rd countries wishing to travel to the EU. The UK is likely to be a 3rd country following brexit. What this means for the 9.2 million Brits with a criminal record is that they could find themselves unable to go on their sun holidays to the Costa That of course assumes ETIAS is applied in a similar way to ESTA. It'll cost €7 and likely to take 3 days to process.

What this means for the NI/Ireland border crossing is not clear. if a hard brexit occurs the ETIAS system makes the border harder. 


Doubt the spainish soild want to block that cash cow and what happens if I'm in Gibraltar and want to nip down to the local beach for an afternoon. (Current leaders of) Countries like Poland and Hungary on the other hand would welcome it to match their hard immigration vote getttins tactic.

It's happening. It passed the first hurdle today and will be in place in a few years. If anything the Spanish will push for it if it causes greater difficulty for those on the rock. 
But they won't block the 9m crims that's for sure - that's was my point. There will be special cases made for the likes of the UK and Norway.

I wouldn't be so sure. There maybe leniency for minor indiscretions but I wouldn't bank on it. 


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Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

I dunno what you's 2 are laughing at mind.. They didn't list Ireland as the countries involved so you're paying the fee too! LOL

Non EU citizens good lad 

Ireland aint part of the schengen area and Ireland wasn't listed in the tweet

Hello Darkness My Old Friend.. I've come to talk with you again.

Ireland as a member of the EU enjoys the four freedoms. One of which is the freedom of movement. To put a barrier in place would be in contravention of EU law. 

Wouldn't be so sure you know. All the flags missing from that list are currently non-EU (or leaving the EU) countries except the Irish flag. Irish flag was the only EU country not to be listed.

Do think you's will get a bad deal from this.


Ah dude just stop. The four freedoms are the fundamental pillars upon which the EU is based on. As I said preventing EU citizens from crossing borders within the EU is illegal unless it can be demonstrated they are a danger to the country they wish to visit.

Yeah I got that the first time round, but you're forgetting this is the EU we're talking about here.
People who claim they're democratic but turn a blind eye to Police abroad kicking the f**k out of protesters in the middle of Barcelona.

What I'm trying to say is, its their rules when it suits them. Thumbs Up 
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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

I dunno what you's 2 are laughing at mind.. They didn't list Ireland as the countries involved so you're paying the fee too! LOL

Non EU citizens good lad 

Ireland aint part of the schengen area and Ireland wasn't listed in the tweet

Hello Darkness My Old Friend.. I've come to talk with you again.

Ireland as a member of the EU enjoys the four freedoms. One of which is the freedom of movement. To put a barrier in place would be in contravention of EU law. 

Wouldn't be so sure you know. All the flags missing from that list are currently non-EU (or leaving the EU) countries except the Irish flag. Irish flag was the only EU country not to be listed.

Do think you's will get a bad deal from this.


Ah dude just stop. The four freedoms are the fundamental pillars upon which the EU is based on. As I said preventing EU citizens from crossing borders within the EU is illegal unless it can be demonstrated they are a danger to the country they wish to visit.

Yeah I got that the first time round, but you're forgetting this is the EU we're talking about here.
People who claim they're democratic but turn a blind eye to Police abroad kicking the f**k out of protesters in the middle of Barcelona.

What I'm trying to say is, its their rules when it suits them. Thumbs Up 


Nonsense.

http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=457
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Coyne, it would take a massive unilateral overhaul before this could happen. Which in itself couldn’t happen. Any rule changes will only impact the UK and won’t be detrimental to those who remain EU Citizens.
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Is that number right? 9M brits have a criminal record.

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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Coyne, it would take a massive unilateral overhaul before this could happen. Which in itself couldn’t happen. Any rule changes will only impact the UK and won’t be detrimental to those who remain EU Citizens.

Tbf they've got bigger issues with it than Ireland/UK. It's the Swiss they've got the worry about the most being non-EU but part of the schegen area.

It's too much fuss being discussed for the sake of a fiver in British notes and something which wont be implemented until I'm going through a midlife crisis and watching Eastenders becomes the highlight of my evening.
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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Is that number right? 9M brits have a criminal record.



correction, it's actually 11 million.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/10/28/ten-things-you-should-know-if-you-have-a-criminal-record-7029074/


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Rudd resigns as Home Secretary 


Not before time 
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Rudd resigns as Home Secretary 


Not before time 

At least she has eventually taken responsibility. Heads deserved to roll, and the buck stops with her.
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Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Rudd resigns as Home Secretary 


Not before time 

At least she has eventually taken responsibility. Heads deserved to roll, and the buck stops with her.


I would argue the buck stops with May too given she was Home Secretary too during that period 


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The buck stops with May.
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I would argue the buck stops with May to given she was Home Secretary too during that period 

There is a solid argument to that. It would actually make a difference to a Government which is crippled with inactivity at the moment.
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Was this not just a pointless resignation?
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Was this not just a pointless resignation?
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Was this not just a pointless resignation?

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