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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Corbyn has really struggled for any consistency with Brexit. 

You're right about that. He's always been really late to officially clarify position on things, even if the answer has been obvious for a while now.

But Owen needed to go, a wardrobe Remainer on the frontbench coming out is no good for the party.


The problem is, unlike the Tories or the LDs, Labour have been a broad Church on the EU, and now there are numerous MPs trying to appease constituents.
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Just reading the reports about Smith. His end is strikingly dissimilar to that of Chris Williamson, who is an ardent Corbyn supporter, and 'resigned' from the front bench with glowing tributes from Corbyn after going off message.
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131 Russian diplomats around the EU and North America been kicked out and the count still rising.

Russia's plan of picking on the UK hoping Brexit would of changed a few minds and depending on Trump would side with Russia has totally backfired 
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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

131 Russian diplomats around the EU and North America been kicked out and the count still rising.

Russia's plan of picking on the UK hoping Brexit would of changed a few minds and depending on Trump would side with Russia has totally backfired 
 
 
it shows that strength is in numbers, and having the backing of EU and US can assist the UK in doing so. evidence in the amount of diplomats expelled.
but, from this episode of Russian espionage, will the UK understand that their voice was heard and supported to such levels because they are in the EU? or, the more likely scenario, believe that they are a world power and "look what we can do when we can control"? would the EU have been so quick in supporting a non-EU country?
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I think this should be a good lesson to the UK as to the value of existing global alliances, and an example of why the EU is where they ought to be. Russia is a sinister isolationist which can’t be trusted, and once the surface is scratched is riddled with illegal occupation, human rights abuses, and political abuse. Outside of the EU, these is no guarantee that the UK wouldn’t have to go to the Russians looking for financial or political support in the future, which would be a very dodgy alliance, with plenty of strings attached.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote coyne Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 2018 at 1:13pm
John Bercow laying into Boris for childish name-calling this morning LOL

I love John Bercow, I'd imagine if all the rabble he stops ever happened inside a pub he'd rip his top off and start flooring everyone.
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You wonder at times how some of these f**kers ever became successful in business.
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Quite simple Dinny, they are ****s.
Greed has won, big finance has won. Whatever small role elite clubs still play in the local communities from which they grew is dwarfed now by their position as global brands.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43619362

Russia are now beginning to gaslight about the incident. I find it very odd how people are still trying to find implausible explainations to not blame Russia.
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What a bunch of sad f**ks
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A parliament recall to vote on attacking Syria looks inevitable.

No vote was given in 2013 but this 1 will more than likely pass given the latest news over there.
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The OPCW have back Britain’s version of the Salisbury attack. I wonder what Galloway et al will have to say about it?
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You're not telling me the OPCW have backed the government? Nobody could have seen that coming!
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To me, it adds the final piece to the consensus of culpability.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

To me, it adds the final piece to the consensus of culpability.
I understand where you're coming from, but Galloway's argument, amongst others, was that they wanted overriding proof. I don't think the OPCW coming out in favour of the government gives that.
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The OPCW have confirmed that Novichok was used, but they didn't confirm where exactly it came from. They don't have the power to identify the source of the nerve agent, but instead to just identify the chemical properties.
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How do you get overriding proof without getting the actual perpetrator though? I don't see that you can. This isn't like Alexander Litvinenko where there was a clearer perpetrator, connected to the Russian state.

Circumstantial evidence is likely going to be the best there is in this case. How likely is it that the Russians followed the daughter when they knew she was going to the UK and did that to get to the father? They possibly didn't know exactly where he was until she came to the UK. Who else makes Novichok? Who else had a motive to do anything against these two?

There is plenty pointing at Russia in this case.
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