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Denis Irwin 
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 Posted: 20 Feb 2018 at 6:32pm |
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These f**kers really are going off the deepend now
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-43126409 |
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Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one".
Bill O'Herlihy: Ah ye can't be saying that now Eamonn |
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Het-field
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Posted: 20 Feb 2018 at 6:41pm |
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Bi-partisan BS! |
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coyne
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Posted: 21 Feb 2018 at 2:49pm |
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Think a Tory must of pissed in Andrew Neil's breakfast this morning because he was on a ruthless anti-Tory hunt this morning for a good 6 minutes+ Not even Paxman is that bad.
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Denis Irwin
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Posted: 25 Feb 2018 at 1:01pm |
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Labour to back staying in a Customs Union
Better late then never I suppose |
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Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one".
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randyrandolph
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Posted: 25 Feb 2018 at 1:43pm |
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game changer. if theres an election in the next year or so JC will be PM. f*** me
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coyne
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Posted: 25 Feb 2018 at 2:44pm |
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What game has been changed exactly.
It's always been their stance but it's never been party official. If you voted for Labour last election and expected a hard brexit to happen from them then you're an idiot.
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Stickittotheman
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Posted: 25 Feb 2018 at 7:19pm |
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Well it certainly gives a lot more clarity and would be something to campaign on. I don't think a lot of people voted Labour expecting a hard brexit but there was a certain ambuguity about their position. Now there is no doubt and I would be suprised if Labour didn't win the next election if it is in the next year. The hardcore brexiteers within the Tories have been far too outspoken and there has been a bit of a change in the British pysche, they don't want to be taken to the edge by people like Rees-Mogg. It is an interesting development and although Labour are being oppurtunistic a lot of people will be glad. |
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Walters coming back from an offside position but Shane Long was definitely onside- Shane Lonnggggggg.... has done it!!!!
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NewtNewbie
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Posted: 25 Feb 2018 at 8:40pm |
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I'm not really sure how anyone can look at the result of the 23 June 2016 referendum and conclude from that that the British people are absolutely desperate to remain in as many EU institutions are possible, and to further extrapolate that whichever political party offers the greatest betrayal of that referendum result, and keeps the UK in as many of those same institutions they voted to leave, is most likely to win the next general election.
There is no 'staying in the customs union', in any event. Though commited Remainers like to pretend otherwise, the triggering of Article 50 necessitates leaving the EU in all of its constituent forms - including the single market, and, yes, the customs union. What Labour seem to be proposing is the creation of a new customs treaty with the EU - similar, I presume, to the the limited customs agreement that exists between the EU and Turkey. If this locks the UK into a situation where they are unable to negotiate their own FTAs and means British people have to accept free movement of people and continue pouring money into the Brussels coffers - well, I'm not sure people will wear it, and I certainly don't see it as the surefire vote-winner some on here seem to believe it to be. Edited by NewtNewbie - 25 Feb 2018 at 9:07pm |
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coyne
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Posted: 25 Feb 2018 at 11:24pm |
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The extreme right wing elements of Ress-Mogg don't match the central right views of the Tory party which is why he's been constantly overlooked for the top government jobs. But he'll continue to mouth off stuff your average Tommy Robinson fan would like to hear to keep him in the public spotlight. The Tory problem is their hand is being forced by the right wing elements of the party with demands with threats of a mutiny it demands aren't met, and then you still have the elements who still think Remaining is still an option after all this time, May being one of them, so it's a massive 3-way-battle in the party and no one's winning. Labour's stance has always been we'll respect the result but that's all you're getting, so the announcement of wanting to stay in the Customs Union is the least surprising thing ever, definitely not a game changer, but as you said it's just extra clarification. It's worth nothing the result of the referendum was all centralised around the NHS and immigration - Immigration levels have dropped since Tony Blair which was announced last week and the NHS is statistically throughout the country at 95% capacity - Which has highlighted the big question, what would a Hard Brexit actually achieve? Absolutely nothing is the answer. This is where Labour have chosen to capitalise on the moment with the announcement, but rather dish out on false promises they've decided to focus on trade as the main focus of Brexit. The plan is to keep an open dialogue with the EU whilst having free trade agreements elsewhere in the world, whether it'll work or not is far too in the future to even think about or predict. Ask again a few years after the next Election.
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coyne
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Posted: 27 Feb 2018 at 12:21pm |
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Boris has said the past hour there isn't a need for an Irish hard border because there isn't one to get into Westminster area of London.
Our Foreign Secretary has just compared 2 countries to 2 boroughs of London
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randyrandolph
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Posted: 27 Feb 2018 at 1:39pm |
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the north is not a country. i agree with your sentiment however. the entire tory party have grossly underestimated how challenging the irish border issue is. They will cut the nordies off. it's the only way they can complete the english revolution.
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coyne
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Posted: 27 Feb 2018 at 8:03pm |
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The Daily Mail have pulled a blinder on Labour tonight mind regarding Max Mosley... He was part of a British Fascist movement in the 60's, denied any wrongdoing or being of the sort in court regarding a racist leaflet found from back then. As he's one of the Labour party's biggest donators and a personal sponsor of Jeremy Corbyn's Deputy, The Daily Mail have well and truly stitched him up. He just admitted on live television on Channel 4 that the leaflet belongs to him, he denied it again, but admitted it again  People will find The Daily Mail stitching people for fascism ironic but when he's sugar daddying the leaders of the opposition, it doesn't look good for them...
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Denis Irwin
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Posted: 01 Mar 2018 at 10:04pm |
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Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one".
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Posted: 01 Mar 2018 at 11:28pm |
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"Barnier must be sacked for telling the truth" shocker.
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coyne
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Posted: 01 Mar 2018 at 11:31pm |
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I'd hate to see what headline they'd write for John Major.
He threw nearly every Tory Brexiteer under the bus 2 days ago. He's the closest you'll ever get to a likeable Tory.
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Stickittotheman
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Posted: 01 Mar 2018 at 11:35pm |
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There was a time when John Major relied on unionist votes to stay afloat at Westminster and he beckoned to their every whim so much the IRA ceasefire ended up collapsing. It is well and good talking from the sidelnes but he played the same game |
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Walters coming back from an offside position but Shane Long was definitely onside- Shane Lonnggggggg.... has done it!!!!
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coyne
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Posted: 02 Mar 2018 at 12:01am |
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Very true but his fate was sealed for him. Black Wednesday happened and the party struggled for nearly 15 years after that day. The event was the reason he lost MP's left right and centre to the point he had to look at external support.
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Posted: 02 Mar 2018 at 12:30am |
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The ceasefire collapsing was a bit more complex than that.
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