UK Politics Thread

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-ireland-has-just-saved-the-uk-from-the-madness-of-a-hard-brexit-1.3320096?mode=amp

Normally I can't stomach Vincent O'Toole but thought this was a good article. The below bit gave me a chuckle:

"Call it what you like - if it acts like a customs union, moves like a customs union and is fully aligned like a customs union, it is a customs union.But this, of course, is precisely why this deal is not just the beginning of the end of the Brexit talks. It is potentially the beginning of the end of Brexit itself. If the deal sticks, the dreams of a clean break, of throwing off the shackles of EU regulation and sailing off into the great blue yonder of Empire 2.0 are over - unless the “swivel-eyed loons” can stage a coup, call off the talks process and crash out with no deal"



Edited by irishmufc - 09 Dec 2017 at 10:08am

irishmufc wrote: https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-ireland-has-just-saved-the-uk-from-the-madness-of-a-hard-brexit-1.3320096?mode=amp Normally I can't stomach Vincent O'Toole but thought this was a good article. The below bit gave me a chuckle: "Call it what you like - if it acts like a customs union, moves like a customs union and is fully aligned like a customs union, it is a customs union.But this, of course, is precisely why this deal is not just the beginning of the end of the Brexit talks. It is potentially the beginning of the end of Brexit itself. If the deal sticks, the dreams of a clean break, of throwing off the shackles of EU regulation and sailing off into the great blue yonder of Empire 2.0 are over - unless the “swivel-eyed loons” can stage a coup, call off the talks process and crash out with no deal"

Who is Vincent O toole :-

TonyNotJack wrote: Bizarre.Everyone can now see that their beloved Brexit is going to be a disaster so the Daily Express react by going for some alternative facts and hoping somehow their deluded readers will just go along with it? No mention of how their poster boy Nigel Farage thinks its a complete capitulation?

Edited by coyne - 10 Dec 2017 at 2:06am

Weeblywee wrote: deise316 wrote: Think 3 million each might cover it, worth a go.  Euro or Britcoin?

deise316 wrote: TonyNotJack wrote: Bizarre.Everyone can now see that their beloved Brexit is going to be a disaster so the Daily Express react by going for some alternative facts and hoping somehow their deluded readers will just go along with it? No mention of how their poster boy Nigel Farage thinks its a complete capitulation?  The search function on this yoke seems to have died a death, but ages ago, my entire analysis of Brexit was that the narrow majority simply didn't want to take another few boatloads of Syrians into their country. You can, if ya want, add Indians, Pakistanis, Polish, black people or Irish or whoever else ya like, but that is still about the size of it.  There were idealogical leftists who did some genuine analysis and voted against a federalist state that they thought was a threat to British soveirgnty, and of course, the far right multi millionaires or even billionaires that pushed the issue for personal tax purposes, but those buckos were very much a minority. This vote was swung by idiots whose entire understanding of politics or the world in general is via the medium of headlines (not even the biased, simplistic articles published in same, because they wouldn't have the ability to either read that far, or even if they did, understand much of what was being said) in the likes of the Daily Mail and the Scum.  These utter simpletons only really understand the notion of ''winning'' and ''losing'' and have no regard for complexities or nuances, so now we see some of those tabloids pushing the line that these negotiations have been a massive victory for Britain, it is basically a strategy to placate the idiots. It might even possibly work, but only if they don't give the likes of Gove, Boris, Farage and Rees Mogg too much of a platform to tell them the truth.  The likes of those lads, can of course, see through it for the capitulation that it is, but at the same time, if the Daily Mail decides that it is a ''victory for Britain/May'' , they will likely row along with that verdict if that is the way the wind is blowing. Farage won't, but as a politician struggling within his own party (that's if he has decided to rejoin it or not, tis difficult to keep up), his verdict is somewhat of an irrelevance anyway, save for the far right lunatic section.  From an Irish point of view, tis kind of amusing to watch a a country self destructing for no particular reason at all, save for lack of leadership, but equally, in the history of Irish politics, nobody has ever achieved the turnaround Varadkar & Coveney managed in a week, from a domestic situation of being hopelessly politically naive and backing the wrong horse (in Frances Fitzgerald) and on the brink of calling a disastrous election, to a week later, where they now find themselves lauded as 2 of the finest statesmen/negotiators in Europe.  Tis the gift that keeps on giving really, phase 2 should be right craic.

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/ian-paisley-boasts-weve-done-varadkar-brexit-deal/

horsebox wrote:   https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/ian-paisley-boasts-weve-done-varadkar-brexit-deal/

Tories really desperate to hold on to their coalition, like desperate desperate.

Why is Jeremy Corbyn not positioning himself as the leader of the Brexit rebellion rather than some Tory remainer who has a shady past.

Vice Chairman of the Conservative party sacked for rebelling.