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coyne 
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Surprised YouGov and The Sun haven't made a story about it yet Sid!
But that's shocking fake sh*t
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coyne
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Posted: 24 Apr 2017 at 6:41pm |
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@Coleman. Not being biased but I think the Labour defeat is being blown out of proportion here.
They're not going to win but I think they're capable of preventing a Tory majority.
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Posted: 24 Apr 2017 at 6:43pm |
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While even I, as an admirer of Corbyn, evn if he is a bit too far to the right for me, can concede things are grim, I can never understand the term 'Labour supporter'. I find it utterly bizarre to 'support' any political party for anything but their policies, it seems incredibly bizarre, they're not football teams!
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colemanY2K
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Posted: 24 Apr 2017 at 6:44pm |
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"One of the dominant facts in English life during the past three quarters of a century has been the decay of ability in the ruling class." Orwell, 1942.
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Het-field
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Posted: 24 Apr 2017 at 7:26pm |
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The damage is in relation to the safe seats. I think most swing seats will go from Labour, and the recent by-election disaster will be instructive in relation to the safe seats.
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coyne
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Posted: 26 Apr 2017 at 1:32pm |
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SNP's Steven Paterson.
 Just became a favourite of mine. He's also on the campaign trail for better Mental heath treatment, attacked May for it today in PMQ's
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Posted: 26 Apr 2017 at 2:06pm |
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Peter Lilley standing down as an MP after 44 years. Didn't realise he was still one. Amazing how long some of these odious f**ks can last as MPs
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Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one".
Bill O'Herlihy: Ah ye can't be saying that now Eamonn |
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Keano2000
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Posted: 26 Apr 2017 at 2:38pm |
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David Ward sacked by Tim Farron after accusations of antisemitism. Good decision from Farron but I fear it's too little too late, PR disaster for the Lib Dems.
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Het-field
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Posted: 26 Apr 2017 at 4:10pm |
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True that. John McDonnell is about to hit 20 years as an MP.
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coyne
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Posted: 26 Apr 2017 at 4:24pm |
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Last few days has confirmed what I already knew. If the Tories win the majority, everything is getting scrapped and the cost of living is gonna immensely rise.
I simply don't understand why anyone would vote for higher taxes, higher VAT, higher cost of living, pension rises being scrapped, NHS funding at it's absolute lowest, school funding at its lowest. Can someone enlighten me? As much as Corbyn can be an absolute fool sometimes, he's nowhere near as bad as listed above.
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Het-field
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It is more than just Corbyn being a bit of an old codger in the Bernie Sanders mould. Between the nuts and bolts of his limited, and poor policy platform, his front bench (particularly McDonnell), and the manner in which he has led the party since 2015 I don't believe its a surprise that people don't want him near the halls of power.
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deise316
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Posted: 27 Apr 2017 at 11:09pm |
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Only follow the doings of these buckos over in the UK from afar, I get far too annoyed by our own shower to start worrying too much about the UK lads.
So, Brexit, can anyone actually explain it rationally ?? The UK people, much like most other electorates, at least 50% made up of idiots who don't really know what they are voting for, voted to leave the EU. This was because of the likes of the UKIP, some right leaning Tories and the Daily Mail decided the EU was having too much say in their affairs, including economically & probably the one that got the most attention, immigration laws, leading to much facts/scaremongering (depending on yer point of view) about the amount of same entering the UK. Cameron loses vote, May is new PM, and even though she wanted to stay in the EU herself, goes along with the wishes of the people. Immigration - I have been to a few English cities, as I imagine most on here have. They would be very multicultural in comparison to anywhere here, bar maybe Dublin, or one of those towns in Galway that is full of Brazilians who work in the local meat factory. In the case of the UK, this didn't happen today nor yesterday, there are generations of lads there in various cities that originally came from another country. Probably no point mentioning the colonial past of the UK may have had something to do with this. Did anyone suggest to the electorate that, as regards barring immigrants well, that ship kind of sailed a good while back ?? Bit late now, I would have thought. Economically, the UK have their own currency, so as regards EU countries, they weren't doing too badly within the EU as regards having some degree of control over their finances, unlike say, us here in Ireland. The EU is now saying that various activities in the financial centre of London will be taxed to the bollix, and there isn't much the UK can do about it. The EU says it will prioritise its own few million citizens living in the UK, and has the implicit threat of doing whatever the UK does to them, back to UK citizens living in the EU, whatever that may be, but possibly enough to make the UK govt back down a bit. Get the impression that mass deportations won't be the order of the day. Is it oversimplifying all this to say that looking at it casually, it looks like a very expensive way of refusing a few hundred Syrians refugee status ?? And if it is more complex than that, why hasn't anyone like May, Boris or any of the other Tory talking heads been able to explain what it is, what the implications of it are for them, and what they intend doing when they reach this new utopia in a few years time ?? |
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Picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.....
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coyne
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Posted: 28 Apr 2017 at 12:15am |
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Brexit has always been an immigration thing, always has been and always will be.
If you compare the Leave EU campaign and Donald Trump's presidential campaign there is absolutely no differences; They both had a pack of lies with the main motto being 'keep the refugees out'and both even had stage cameo's from Nigel Farage making a twat of himself they were that similar! None of the pledges made for Leave EU will happen a bit like when Trump pledged to get rid of Obamacare, yet another similarity. £350 million for the NHS? Boris and Michael Gove actually voted against it! Stay in the single market? Leaving the single market! Edited by coyne - 28 Apr 2017 at 12:15am |
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SuperDave84
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This is the thing that gets me about Brexit. 48% were happy to stay in the EU. That means, without more, the same 48% were happy with things like the customs union, free movement, common agriculture policy, competition rules and trade agreements.
Now, of the 52%, I think it very fair to say that at least a certain percentage of them were in favour of the customs union, a certain percentage in favour of agriculture policy, a certain percentage in favour of the EU controlling trade agreements, and maybe even free movement etc etc etc. Now, because of the wishes of "the majority", the UK is being removed from the customs union, free movement, etc etc, despite the fact there were a myriad of reasons for voting for Brexit and it could well be the case that the majority of people, on an issue by issue basis, reject the form that Brexit is taking. |
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coyne
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Posted: 28 Apr 2017 at 12:40am |
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I would imagine the NHS pledge was a massive reason in the yes vote. People in the UK are very passionate about the NHS and rightly so.
How it didn't get more media attention when they voted no in the Brexit amendments is shocking. Especially when Brexit's own chief campaigners in Boris and Gove voted no to them. The British public were suckered into these false claims from politicians with their own personal agenda's, except from UKIP, they had absolutely no interest in Brexit, the only thing they cared about was throwing David Cameron out of office by defeating him. But by the time party elections came the backstabbers started backstabbing each other and none of them got it, Gove doesn't even have a job he's that untrustworthy now! If you look at the bigger picture it's astonishing how 1 greedy person's actions caused a chain of events; If Gove settled for the 2nd top job and backed Boris, we'd be in a Pro-EU government right now as Brexit was never their intention and more than likely not in a GE also. Warmonger Blair recently pointed this out and I hate to say it but he's right - The UK are getting a Brexit they didn't ask for.
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colemanY2K
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@Deise...
Personally I think the immigration issue is being overblown as the main reason for the Brexit vote. Certainly that is the case in the South East of England and London in particular. I was surprised to discover the vast majority of my colleagues (very well paid and in safe civil servant jobs) voted to leave. It might be the case that the remainers in the office are staying shtum and the balance isn't so one sided. In the 10 months or so since Brexit, I have discovered, through discussions with the leavers, their primary reason for voting to leave was down to the Bloc's interference with domestic British affairs e.g. European Court of Justice rulings trumping the courts in the UK. It seems the British (I'm referring solely to the English) are a bit peeved that their position in the world is not what it once was. They seem to crave for the 'glory days' and were not one bit happy with their sovereignty being eroded slowly over time. They see the decline of the country all around them and have lashed out. The Brexit vote is the result. A result due to decades of empire brainwashing on the general public. Who knows what lies ahead... Edited by colemanY2K - 28 Apr 2017 at 10:40am |
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"One of the dominant facts in English life during the past three quarters of a century has been the decay of ability in the ruling class." Orwell, 1942.
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sid waddell
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Posted: 28 Apr 2017 at 11:13am |
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Brexit voters also hate the metric system. Thank Allah they'll now be free from its oppression.
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