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Shedite
Jack Charlton Joined: 09 Dec 2011 Status: Offline Points: 9820 |
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edthered
Ronnie Whelan Joined: 09 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 89 |
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Only 1 of the teams in League A will get a qualifying spot tho. Each League gets one. So we *only* have to win our mini group then win the play off among all the group winners in our League. Clear as mud! It does mean that a bottom 16 team will definitely qualify |
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valo88
Liam Brady Joined: 10 Oct 2012 Status: Offline Points: 1616 |
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No, they dont. league A gets the 4 spots. As shown below. You can only get promotion/relegation from B/C/D for the following campaign. |
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The Fly
Alan Kernaghan Joined: 11 Dec 2011 Location: Co. Kildare Status: Offline Points: 146 |
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That's not right, you're looking at the overall Nation League Champions, which will be in June in 2019.
The playoff happens in March 2020, with the 4 highest ranked non-qualified teams in each league getting another chance.
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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The "final four competition" is different from the qualifying spots for the Euros. Each League (ABCD) gets a spot in the Euros.
And there are playoffs for those who don't make it. Say the following happens: 10 of the teams in League A qualify for Euro 2020 through their qualifying groups. 8 of the teams in League B qualify for Euro 2020 through their qualifying groups. 2 of the teams in League C qualify for Euro 2020 through their qualifying groups. And 0 from League D. Then the playoffs would look as follows: League A playoffs: 2 teams from League A (the two not already qualified), 2 teams from (I think) League C (the fifth and sixth ranked team who didn't qualify) League B playoffs: 4 teams from League B (the four not already qualified) League C playoffs: 4 teams from League C (the teams ranked 3 to 6 in League C) League D playoffs: the top four teams There is one small issue, and I'm not sure if the League A playoffs would have the 2 League A teams and the top two League B teams, or the 2 League A teams and the next 2 teams not already in the playoffs, which would be a pair of League C teams. I'd guess at the latter, for a number of reasons: not to penalise the teams who have already made the playoffs, not to give the teams in League A tough games etc etc (and I think the wording of the regulations suggest this). In terms of the ranking of teams, I don't quite know how it will work. I think the four group winners in each case will count, but say you have a situation, in League B, where in one of the groups the first two teams have qualified for Euro 2020 already but the team who finished bottom have not, and in another group, none of the three teams qualified, and there were two playoff spots to be filled: would they go to one team from each group (i.e. the team bottom of the first group and the winner of the second), or the teams with the best overall record (likely the top two teams in the second group). I don't know the answer to that one, although I think it is the latter (they would count as the next best teams in the division I suppose) But anyway, it will not be a complete disaster for us, even if the format is horrendously, unnecessarily complex. Edited by SuperDave84 - 27 Jan 2017 at 1:50am |
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Shedite
Jack Charlton Joined: 09 Dec 2011 Status: Offline Points: 9820 |
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It's a bit confusing alright that the same competition is used for 2 purposes.
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Shedite
Jack Charlton Joined: 09 Dec 2011 Status: Offline Points: 9820 |
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IMO, it will make it slightly harder for the 13-24 ranked UEFA teams to qualify. Previously they had to finish 3rd in their qualifying group and win one playoff group.
Now 3rd in qualifying group won't be worth a thing. Instead, they'll have to likely win 2 their NL group, and then 2 playoff games against similar teams. At the same time, team ranked 25 has an easier route than teams 13-24, as they have to do the same, but against teams ranked 26-36. As an aside, I hated that third placed teams got through, so happy enough with this.
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Shoco
Roy Keane Hail Hail the Celts are here Joined: 14 Dec 2008 Location: Celthick Park Status: Offline Points: 13727 |
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FFS bore of and leave the petty nonsense out of the Ireland section
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valo88
Liam Brady Joined: 10 Oct 2012 Status: Offline Points: 1616 |
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I stand corrected so.
So in theory it'd be better for us to rank, lose a lot of our games and qualify for a playoff via C or D no? Seems a bit flawed in that sense. |
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lassassinblanc
Paul McGrath Cheese, it’s not just for eating Joined: 27 Sep 2010 Location: Clairefontaine Status: Offline Points: 16467 |
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I thought this myself. Another random question (probably asked and answered already but) if say if we are in League A and we finish 3rd in group all the other nations in League A qualify via normal qualifiers would we then qualify as the best League A not qualified without having to play a Playoff? or would we have to say a League B, C or D team? |
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gspain
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No there will still be league A playoffs even if it involves teams moving up from Group B and even C. If we end up in Group A we will be almost guaranteed a playoff at worst as surely more than 7 out of the other 11 will qualify. If we end up in Group A and finish bottom of our group we still have a 50% chance of being a top seed for the 2020 qualifiers. Group A would be fantastic for us in so many ways. If we end up in Group B then finishing at worst 2nd will be important as we avoid relegation to Group C and crucially will get a 2nd seed for the 2020 qualifiers. It is very very unlikely we will drop to Group C for 2018. I think it is almost certain at least 16 of the qualifiers will come from Group A and Group B. Hence worst case we will be involved in a 4 team playoff for a place in Euro 2020 in March 2020. Hopefully we will qualify for 2020 via the qualifiers though. |
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gspain
Ray Houghton Joined: 21 Apr 2010 Status: Offline Points: 4680 |
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There is an incentive for the lower teams in C to drop to D. The likes of Azerbaijan and Cyprus would have little chance to qualify for Euro2020 unless they dropped to Group D. Ditto it is in the interests of Georgia and Belarus to remain in D. No harm in reminding the Georgians of that next September. We will almost certainly have a first time qualifier in 2020. Otherwise it is better to stay as high as possible as it means a better seeding for qualifiers.
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Bitored
Ray Houghton Joined: 25 Jan 2015 Status: Offline Points: 3893 |
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I hate this. Its pandering to everyone and weakening a major tournament at the same time. Georgia could potentially make a Euros by beating the likes of Liechtenstein and Gibraltar. While our route could potentially be Spain and Germany. Where is the sense in that?
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LHurlz
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pre Madonna
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In theory the Nations League isn't a bad idea, anything that tries to remove the monotonous test of endurance that is watching an international friendly is to be welcomed, why they have to overcomplicate matters is beyond me, especially as it is being introduced in time for the most complicated international competition in history. If it wasn't crazy enough having quarter finals in Asia and the semis in London they have decided to open up the most bizarre qualification scenario possible, all to whittle 55 teams down to 24. Michel
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stokeirish
500 Club la la la Joined: 26 May 2016 Location: Stoke on Trent Status: Offline Points: 490 |
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Surely we would be in league 2 on current ranking? 🤔
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stokeirish
500 Club la la la Joined: 26 May 2016 Location: Stoke on Trent Status: Offline Points: 490 |
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Or league b even |
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Bitored
Ray Houghton Joined: 25 Jan 2015 Status: Offline Points: 3893 |
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I originally thought it was a way to give a competitive edge to what are now friendlies and I welcomed it. Now, every time I read up on it I find something else I don't like about it. The cynic in me is thinking its a way to tier qualifying in Europe so the likes of England and Germany don't have to drag their arse to Gibraltar or San Marino. |
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I won the Player of the Century award thanks to the people.Pele was second.He also came second behind Aryton Senna as Brazil's greatest sportsman.The award FIFA gave Pele isn't worth sh*t - Maradona
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