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Originally posted by Charlton's Child Charlton's Child wrote:

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Wales were sixth seeds in the FIFA rankings as recently as the 2010 World Cup qualifiers. But because they stopped playing friendlies, they rocketed up the rankings. They did only finish second bottom of their 2014 qualifying group but the start they made to the euro 2016 group (top at the time of the 2018 qualifying draw) and the absence of friendlies, plus the extra weight for recent results, saw them in the first seeds, only four years later, having risen over 100 places in the rankings. It's not like their results were sensational (they were good: a 3-0 win in Israel is no doubt a good result) but gaming the system; there's no reason we couldn't have tried the same and risen to second seeds at least.

But I guarantee we will continue to play extra friendlies against Oman and the likes, even after the Nations League starts, and drop even further down the rankings. It's quite unfortunate that the finances of the association, stadium and debt mean we have to play those games.



I thought The introduction of the nations league would pretty much put a stop to friendly???

There will be 6 matchdays for the Nations League next year.  If we are in Group B (highly likely) we will be in a group of 3 so will only play on 4 of those matchdays.  This will leave 2 dates free for friendlies if a national association so desires.
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Originally posted by Charlton's Child Charlton's Child wrote:

Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

Wales were sixth seeds in the FIFA rankings as recently as the 2010 World Cup qualifiers. But because they stopped playing friendlies, they rocketed up the rankings. They did only finish second bottom of their 2014 qualifying group but the start they made to the euro 2016 group (top at the time of the 2018 qualifying draw) and the absence of friendlies, plus the extra weight for recent results, saw them in the first seeds, only four years later, having risen over 100 places in the rankings. It's not like their results were sensational (they were good: a 3-0 win in Israel is no doubt a good result) but gaming the system; there's no reason we couldn't have tried the same and risen to second seeds at least.

But I guarantee we will continue to play extra friendlies against Oman and the likes, even after the Nations League starts, and drop even further down the rankings. It's quite unfortunate that the finances of the association, stadium and debt mean we have to play those games.



I thought The introduction of the nations league would pretty much put a stop to friendly???

Not completely. As I said above we'll still have a couple of spare dates for friendlies but there'll thankfully be far fewer of them then we currently have.
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Sorry, should have clarified I didn't know uefa didn't count them, knew about Wales, Romania etc
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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

Wales were sixth seeds in the FIFA rankings as recently as the 2010 World Cup qualifiers. But because they stopped playing friendlies, they rocketed up the rankings. They did only finish second bottom of their 2014 qualifying group but the start they made to the euro 2016 group (top at the time of the 2018 qualifying draw) and the absence of friendlies, plus the extra weight for recent results, saw them in the first seeds, only four years later, having risen over 100 places in the rankings. It's not like their results were sensational (they were good: a 3-0 win in Israel is no doubt a good result) but gaming the system; there's no reason we couldn't have tried the same and risen to second seeds at least.

But I guarantee we will continue to play extra friendlies against Oman and the likes, even after the Nations League starts, and drop even further down the rankings. It's quite unfortunate that the finances of the association, stadium and debt mean we have to play those games.



I thought The introduction of the nations league would pretty much put a stop to friendly???
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Multiple explanations in this thread as to why that's not the case
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Given that we're part-hosting Euro 2020, I think it's great to have an alternative way of qualifying as back up. It would be heartbreaking not to qualify for this one! 
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re FIFA rankings - have FIFA confirmed they see this UEFA competition as earning the same ranking points as a World Cup or EURO qualifier?

I wouldn't be surprised if they recognise its weighting as something between a friendly - factor of 1 - and a full competitive qualifier (EURO or World Cup) - factor of 3.



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I think that may have been part of UEFA's thinking. It'll count as competitive, I reckon.

Sure, ffs, don't the 18 qualifiers the South Americans each play count, along with the Copa America. They also count the labyrinthine qualifiers for CONCACAF and Asia, where it's not unheard of for teams to play 20 games. They have to count the Nations League.
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The league is a qualifying competition in its own right so FIFA will have to recognise the games as qualifiers. 
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Anyone know when the actual draw for the groups is for this?

Rankings till October will be used to determine which teams are in which league, and we're most likely in B.

Matches in September, October and November 2018.

So I would assume the draw will be made somewhere at the end of this year. But haven't found anything online yet.
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Originally posted by Steve Amsterdam Steve Amsterdam wrote:

Anyone know when the actual draw for the groups is for this?

Rankings till October will be used to determine which teams are in which league, and we're most likely in B.

Matches in September, October and November 2018.

So I would assume the draw will be made somewhere at the end of this year. But haven't found anything online yet.
 
was thinking the same Steve. Seem to remember we knew we had 3 aways after the euros in France not long after/or before we qualified but cant recall when.
 
thought it might be start of Dec but that will be the WC finals draw so there wont be a euro draw then
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I have March 2018 in my head for some reason and think it has something to do with either the seedings being decided or maybe a draw for that Nations League later in the year. Read it before somewhere.

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Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by Steve Amsterdam Steve Amsterdam wrote:

Anyone know when the actual draw for the groups is for this?

Rankings till October will be used to determine which teams are in which league, and we're most likely in B.

Matches in September, October and November 2018.

So I would assume the draw will be made somewhere at the end of this year. But haven't found anything online yet.
 
was thinking the same Steve. Seem to remember we knew we had 3 aways after the euros in France not long after/or before we qualified but cant recall when.
 
thought it might be start of Dec but that will be the WC finals draw so there wont be a euro draw then
 
the relevent thread for Serbia (sept 16) was started Jul 15 
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March I think may be the time when the Euro2020 qualifying groups are drawn.

We'll be getting 2 holiday lotteries in the space of a few months
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Originally posted by Steve Amsterdam Steve Amsterdam wrote:

Anyone know when the actual draw for the groups is for this?

Rankings till October will be used to determine which teams are in which league, and we're most likely in B.

Matches in September, October and November 2018.

So I would assume the draw will be made somewhere at the end of this year. But haven't found anything online yet.

I don't know when the draw will take place.  However it is the rankings after the November playoffs that will be used.  Lots of info here.

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Originally posted by gspain gspain wrote:

Originally posted by Steve Amsterdam Steve Amsterdam wrote:

Anyone know when the actual draw for the groups is for this?

Rankings till October will be used to determine which teams are in which league, and we're most likely in B.

Matches in September, October and November 2018.

So I would assume the draw will be made somewhere at the end of this year. But haven't found anything online yet.


I don't know when the draw will take place.  However it is the rankings after the November playoffs that will be used.  Lots of info here.



Yeah, but the playoffs will not be counted in the ranking.
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I seem to remember seeing something about the draw being slated for December but as yet no date had been fixed. There's a uefa meeting where a few lose ends need to be tied up and they were going to do the draw shortly afterwards.

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Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

I seem to remember seeing something about the draw being slated for December but as yet no date had been fixed. There's a uefa meeting where a few lose ends need to be tied up and they were going to do the draw shortly afterwards.
 
Cant see there being 2 major draws in December though it would make planning 2018 a lot easier
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