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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by NewtNewbie NewtNewbie wrote:

 It's the 'you ain't black' attitude extended, basically.

What non-white figures do have acceptable views in your view? 

MLK?  He was great, wasn't he?! Mandela?

No doubt you've a half-alsatian/half-labrador named 'Nelson'. No-one can possibly accuse you of racism!

You're wasting your time, arguing against him. He just insults anyone who doesn't see the world the way he does. 

Trump himself has no great interest in racism, for or against, he's a free marketeer businessman whose main interest in being President is the economy. Making sure Americans of all backgrounds have jobs to go to, and cash to spend to help make a better life for themselves. He doesn't care that much about other causes, and because he doesn't, he gets earache from his opponents howling at the moon. If you want to see an openly racist nutjob i n charge of his country, you only have to take a hour long flight from Dublin to find one. Funny that most don't seem all that bothered about that. Despite those views, he was returned to office last year, as the looney left challenger to him was useless, who lost every election and referendum he fought as leader of his party, and is now consigned to the backbenches for the rest of his time in politics.

Politics and sport should never mix, but Lewis Hamilton is so bored with winning every Formula 1 race by half a lap nowadays, that he's taken up a fresh challenge this year, as the self appointed leader of the sport's anti racism demos. It's not enough for his white colleagues to say they're against racism no, when they are trying to focus on the job facing them before the start, they all have to wear black shirts and get down on one knee, and according to him, it has to be done before every race, and if anyone doesn't follow the actions of the ringleader, they must answer questions until the next race. As if that wasn't enough, he's now decided to wear shirts at races to protest about events in the USA that he has no influence or control over, about people he doesn't know and has never met. 

If he seriously wants to change thousands of years of distrust and discrmination, then he can do what Donald Trump did. He can give up his career and get into politics, so he can have the power to make a significant difference to society. But that would require real change of course. Racism is not about skin colour, racism happens and thrives when one race of people think that their culture or way of life is superior and/or more entitled to rights, than another. It's been part of human history since, pick any year you want. And that's something that can't be changed by just taking a knee. Or even changing a President. 
It's mad that somebody would actually take the time to sit down and write this utter sh*te LOL
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If Planning is trolling and knows better than that's one thing. 

The insinuation that Trump is somehow neutral on the issue of racism and that he selflessly "gave up his career" to become president for the betterment of society and not his own personal and financial gain is so far removed from reality, anyone that thinks that probably holiday's in Jonestown. 


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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

If Planning is trolling and knows better than that's one thing. 

The insinuation that Trump is somehow neutral on the issue of racism and that he selflessly "gave up his career" to become president for the betterment of society and not his own personal and financial gain is so far removed from reality, anyone that thinks that probably holiday's in Jonestown. 


Or recently worked for the FAI.
Greed has won, big finance has won. Whatever small role elite clubs still play in the local communities from which they grew is dwarfed now by their position as global brands.
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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

If Planning is trolling and knows better than that's one thing. 

The insinuation that Trump is somehow neutral on the issue of racism and that he selflessly "gave up his career" to become president for the betterment of society and not his own personal and financial gain is so far removed from reality, anyone that thinks that probably holiday's in Jonestown. 



Planning won't have anything to say about the forced hysterectomies carried out on immigrant women at an ICE camp

None of the Trump supporters will

Trump's rhetoric is open encouragement for this sort of thing

History tells us the logical follow on from forced sterilsation is mass death

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/14/ice-detainees-hysterectomies-medical-neglect-irwin-georgia

Immigrants in a US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) detention center in Georgia are being subjected to horrific conditions and treatment, including “jarring medical neglect” and a high rate of hysterectomies among women, according to a whistleblower complaint filed by several legal advocacy groups on behalf of a nurse who works there.

The nurse, Dawn Wooten, has been practicing for more than 10 years, three of which she was employed at Irwin county detention center in Georgia, which is run by private corporation LaSalle Corrections. The complaint, filed on her behalf on 14 September by the human rights legal groups the Government Accountability Project and Project South, accused the center of negligence, including poor safety precautions surrounding Covid-19 and generally hazardous and unsanitary conditions.

Immigrants who spoke out against these conditions were regularly pushed into solitary confinement, the complaint said. Wooten says she was demoted and reprimanded when she spoke out about these practices, according to an interview with the Intercept.

The Intercept also reported that Wooten’s account was “bolstered by interviews with another current member of Irwin’s medical staff – who asked not to be named for fear of retaliation – and four people currently or recently detained there”.

According to the new complaint, Wooten reported an alarmingly high rate of hysterectomies – a surgery in which part or all of the uterus is removed – being performed on Spanish-speaking immigrants, many of whom did not appear to understand why they had undergone the procedure.

She said an off-site doctor supposedly performed the surgeries on women who complained of heavy menstrual cycles, but that many women seemed to not understand what had happened. In many cases nurses obtained consent from patients by “simply Googling Spanish”, the complaint alleges.

“Everybody he sees has a hysterectomy – just about everybody,” Wooten said. “That’s his specialty, he’s the uterus collector. Everybody’s uterus cannot be that bad.”

The complaint also alleges health and safety violations related to the procedures. One woman said she was not properly anesthetized during a procedure and overheard the doctor say he had mistakenly removed the wrong ovary, rendering her unable to have children. Another went in to have a cyst drained and ultimately got a hysterectomy instead, the complaint said.

“When I met all these women who had had surgeries, I thought this was like an experimental concentration camp. It was like they’re experimenting with our bodies,” one detainee said, according to the complaint.

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The culture of sexual assault and he protection of those who commit it is also openly spread throughout US "law enforcement" by Trump

Sexual assault of prisoners is a classic outcome of fascist sadism and depravity, and the Trump regime is utterly sadist and depraved

It is one of the intermediate stages of a culture of total depravity of which the logical endpoint is mass death and murder

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/09/15/ice-deport-witness-sexual-assault/

ICE deported a key witness in investigation of sexual assault and harassment at El Paso detention center

Department of Homeland Security and Justice Department inspectors general are investigating allegations that ICE guards assaulted detainees in camera blind spots.

BY LOMI KRIEL, THE TEXAS TRIBUNE AND PROPUBLICA 

The U.S. government late Monday deported a crucial witness in an ongoing investigation into allegations of sexual assault and harassment at an El Paso immigrant detention center, the witness’ lawyers said.

The 35-year-old woman has been held in the facility, which is overseen by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, for about a year and told lawyers about a “pattern and practice” of abuse there, including that guards systematically assaulted her and other detainees in areas that were not visible to security cameras.

Several guards “forcibly” kissed her, and at least one touched her intimate parts, often as she was walking back from the medical unit to her barrack, according to her complaint filed with law enforcement agencies.

“If she behaved,” she said one guard told her, “he would help her be released.”

The Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Inspector General launched an investigation into the accusations after ProPublica and The Texas Tribune first reported them last month. At least two more women have since come forward with similar allegations of assault.

The inspector general requested that ICE not deport the woman and the FBI interviewed the woman extensively, according to her lawyers. Her attorneys also sent a complaint to the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Western District of Texas and the El Paso County District Attorney’s Office, warning of a potential criminal investigation.

Those government agencies did not immediately respond to requests for comment.


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 Ahhh enough about Trump, the racist who has married not one but two Europeans and called his children not your average American name, ie Ivanka. Let’s talk about Biden, the white liberal old man who shall save man kind.
Biden’s history of enthusiastic racism stretches back decades. From the moment he entered the U.S. Senate in the early 1970s, he vocally opposes busing to achieve school desegregation. Today he disputes this fact, claiming he only opposed federally mandated busing. Nevertheless, “opposing busing” has long been racist code for opposing Black and brown children going to school with white children. At a time when “separate but equal” was beginning to become politically unpalatable, Biden’s leadership against busing, in the most generous possible interpretation, provided cover for segregationists to continue their work. 

Biden represented Delaware in the Senate, a state that essentially refused to desegregate through a combination of hair-splitting laws and white parents shifting their children to private schools en masse. Private school enrollment in Delaware is now among the highest in the nation at 17.6 percent in Biden’s hometown of Wilmington — the vast majority of them white. Meanwhile, disproprotionatelyBlack public schools are systematically starved of funds. This kind of de facto segregation is exactly what Joe Biden promoted in his anti-busing campaign. 

Ahead of the 2020 South Carolina presidential primary, a focus group was asked about this very portion of Biden’s record. One woman in the group asked “are we honestly being asked to to believe he is a segregationist?” Evidence points to yes.

Twenty years later, having risen to the prominent position of chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Biden presided over confirmation hearings for Clarence Thomas to become the second Black Supreme Court justice. The hearings became a crucible for the particular combination of racism and misogyny at the heart of the United States when law professor Anita Hill, also Black and who had previously worked for Thomas, came forward with sexual harassment allegations against him. The all-male, all-white committee Biden chaired questioned her in brutal detail. He refused to take her allegations seriously, launched no investigation, and failed to accept testimony from multiple other witnesses and survivors of Thomas’s harassment. With Biden’s collusion, Thomas was confirmed and today is one of the Court’s consistent right-wing votes. Reportedly, he’s also Trump’s favorite justice

Biden’s dismal record here is especially important to note, since one of the main arguments deployed in his favor is that he will appoint better judges than Trump has to various federal courts. 

Perhaps the most egregious example of Biden’s racist use of power is 1994’s Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, the crime bill he wrote and continues to support vocally to this day. The bill is a laundry list of the worst aspects of the mass incarceration state. It led to a boom in the number of police officers and prisons, lengthened prison sentences, and created financial incentives to keep people in jail. It created 60 new death penalty offenses as well as the infamous “three strikes and you’re out” rule, which inflicted a life sentence for almost any crime, even ones considered very minor, if there were two prior convictions for “serious” or “violent” crimes. Since then, people have died in prison for things like stealing a dollar in loose change from a parked car, possessing less than 1 gram of a drug, and attempting to break into a soup kitchen. Biden had also co-written the Anti-Drug Abuse Act a few years earlier, during the so-called crack epidemic. It amplified sentencing disparities between crack cocaine users, who were mostly Black, and powder cocaine users, who were mostly white. 

All these new laws affected people of color, especially Black and Indigenous people, the most, leading to a massive increase in incarceration, policing, and the destruction of Black communities. While the crime bill was very popular at the time, it came under heavy criticism from those who knew it would worsen carceral capitalism. Now considered widely to be a racist failure, some previous supporters have disowned it. Only someone truly committed to racism would maintain his support of the bill, as Biden still does. “On balance,” he says, “the whole bill …  did in fact bring down violent crime.” And, he contends, “The crime bill didn’t increase mass incarceration.”

Biden’s racism can also be viewed through the lens of the infamous “civility” of the U.S. Senate — a body that serves as a playground in which rich and powerful Democrats and Republicans can disagree lightly during working hours while maintaining deep social, political, and financial connections. Biden was an enthusiastic participant in this tradition through his friendship and fruitful working relationship with noted segregationist and vile racist Strom Thurmond, the senator from South Carolina. 

“I disagreed deeply with Strom on the issue of civil rights, and on many other issues, but I watched him change,” Biden said as he eulogized his racist friend in 2003. However, it’s not clear that they disagreed all that much. They worked together early in Biden’s Senate career on the 1983 Comprehensive Forfeiture Act, which increased the use of civil asset forfeiture by police departments across the country. Civil forfeiture is legalized theft, allowing cops to seize and sell any property they say is involved in a crime, even if the owner is never even arrested or convicted. It is used mostly against working class and poor people, especially if they are Black. Since 1999, the federal government alone took in $36.5 billion in assets through civil forfeiture, a percentage of which was used to buy military grade weaponry that was then allotted to local and state police agencies and has been deployed against protesters. Biden played a pivotal role in ensuring the law was passed, whipping the Democrats into voting for it and ensuring that Thurmond got the credit for the law. 

“We don’t treat the opposition as the enemy,” Biden said while campaigning for president recently. “We might even say a nice word every once in a while about a Republican when they do something good.” Apparently, Biden thinks the police stealing from Black communities in order to repress them more thoroughly is good.

Another line of argument Biden’s supporters use to divert attention from his racism is that he was vice president under Barack Obama, the first Black president of the United States. It doesn’t just smack of “I have a Black friend” side-stepping, it’s even more flimsy. 

Obama’s own record on race while president isn’t a glowing one. He often relied on symbolism, rather than material action — such as with the infamous “beer summit” between a white police officer and the Black Harvard University professor the cop arrested for entering his own home. When he wasn’t ignoring race, he insisted it was a “both-sides” issue. For instance, in his famous 2008 “A More Perfect Union” speech, Obama spoke about solving racism in America if only everyone forgave each other. It’s the same “both-sides-ism” whenever a white liberal shares a photo on social media of a cop and a protester hugging (often minutes before the cops turn violent). 

During the anti-racist, anti-police uprisings in Ferguson following the murder of Michael Brown in 2014, Obama criticized the protesters. “There are productive ways of responding and expressing those frustrations, and there are destructive ways of responding. Burning buildings, torching cars, destroying property, putting people at risk — that’s destructive and there’s no excuse for it. Those are criminal acts. And people should be prosecuted if they engage in criminal acts.” 

Those words are echoed in how liberals are talking about protesters today. Obama, though, had more power than most liberals and used it to expand a racist system. It cannot be a defense of Biden that he served as vice president — a stepping stone to power in itself — under a Black president who pursued mass incarceration, surveillance, the war against drugs, imperialism, land theft from Indigenous people, and other policies of neoliberalism that disproportionately target people of color.

On May 22, Biden sat down for an interview with “The Breakfast Club,” a popular radio show. Near the end of the interview, as he was questioned on policy by host Charlamagne the God, Biden said, “If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.” 

Black people on social media were quick to point out the absurdity of a white man feeling entitled to determine who is or is not Black. In response to the swift backlash, Biden gave the requisite milquetoast apology. However, Charlamagnezeroed in on the problem. “I don’t ever care about the words and the lip service and the apology is cool, but the best apology is actually a black agenda … They’ve got to make some real policy commitments to black people. We’ve got to stop acting like the fact that blacks are overrepresented in America when it comes to welfare, poverty, unemployment, homelessness, drug addiction, crime, coronavirus—that’s no accident. The whole function of systemic racism is to marginalize black people.” 

While Biden may have learned the right words to say in 2020 to avoid accusations of racism, as in his “plan for Black America,” he lacks the policies, actions, or record to back them up. Racism isn’t what you say; it’s what you do. And Biden continues to advocate for racist action worldwide, from criminal penalties for immigration to increased military spending, even after his recent and calculated about-face on prisons and sentencing.

Joe Biden, the racist. His actions and policies over decades far out weight anything Donald Trump has done in his one term in politics as the president.
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Originally posted by Olaf Olaf wrote:

 
Joe Biden, the racist. His actions and policies over decades far out weight anything Donald Trump has done in his one term in politics as the president.
The vast, vast majority of people of colour, and especially black people disagree with you


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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Olaf Olaf wrote:

 
Joe Biden, the racist. His actions and policies over decades far out weight anything Donald Trump has done in his one term in politics as the president.
The vast, vast majority of people of colour, and especially black people disagree with you


Silent Majority. The left wing media have portrayed Biden as a man who is an angel on earth, a halo follows him. They want people to forget the actions of 40 years of a career in politics, people aren’t dumb. And especially blacks, ah yes single them out again. They’re not fellow citizens they’re blacks. Now I know why you like Biden. 


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Any chance of an opinion on these, Olaf

https://www.mediamatters.org/roger-stone/roger-stone-calls-trump-seize-total-power-if-he-loses-election

Roger Stone calls for Trump to seize total power if he loses the election

Stone also said federal authorities should seize all Nevada ballots, federal agents and GOP state officials should “physically” block voting, that Trump should nationalize police forces, and that Trump should order widespread arrests


https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1305882295686049800

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Trump just declared once again on Fox News that the outcome of the election cannot be legitimate if he loses. This is the third time he's made this claim explicit. Yet the political media just seems to largely tolerate it. That's insane.
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Originally posted by Olaf Olaf wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Olaf Olaf wrote:

 
Joe Biden, the racist. His actions and policies over decades far out weight anything Donald Trump has done in his one term in politics as the president.
The vast, vast majority of people of colour, and especially black people disagree with you


Silent Majority. The left wing media have portrayed Biden as a man who is an angel on earth, a halo follows him. They want people to forget the actions of 40 years of a career in politics, people aren’t dumb. And especially blacks, ah yes single them out again. They’re not fellow citizens they’re blacks. Now I know why you like Biden. 
You think the majority of black people will be voting for Trump? LOL

What's your basis for asserting this?

Trump supporters are the loudest of any candidate in history

Fascists are never silent




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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Any chance of an opinion on these, Olaf

https://www.mediamatters.org/roger-stone/roger-stone-calls-trump-seize-total-power-if-he-loses-election

Roger Stone calls for Trump to seize total power if he loses the election

Stone also said federal authorities should seize all Nevada ballots, federal agents and GOP state officials should “physically” block voting, that Trump should nationalize police forces, and that Trump should order widespread arrests


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Trump just declared once again on Fox News that the outcome of the election cannot be legitimate if he loses. This is the third time he's made this claim explicit. Yet the political media just seems to largely tolerate it. That's insane.

Mail in ballots simply cannot be trusted, as they can be tampered with or altered. The president has every right to raise doubts. Hopefully that will just make sure the silent majority take to the actual ballot box. 
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Originally posted by Olaf Olaf wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Any chance of an opinion on these, Olaf

https://www.mediamatters.org/roger-stone/roger-stone-calls-trump-seize-total-power-if-he-loses-election

Roger Stone calls for Trump to seize total power if he loses the election

Stone also said federal authorities should seize all Nevada ballots, federal agents and GOP state officials should “physically” block voting, that Trump should nationalize police forces, and that Trump should order widespread arrests


https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1305882295686049800

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Trump just declared once again on Fox News that the outcome of the election cannot be legitimate if he loses. This is the third time he's made this claim explicit. Yet the political media just seems to largely tolerate it. That's insane.

Mail in ballots simply cannot be trusted, as they can be tampered with or altered. The president has every right to raise doubts. Hopefully that will just make sure the silent majority take to the actual ballot box. 
It's really mad to see people like you openly defend fascism

It really is easier to fool people with noise than with censorship

I see a lot of gaslighting about "why can't we have civilised debate"

The reason is Trump supporters like Olaf are literally open supporters of fascism and exist in a fantasy world, that's why, and you cannot debate with a fascist, the same as you cannot debate with a psychotic man with an eight inch knife who wants to kill you

The nightmare we joked about four years ago has come true and then some

It's mad that this guy apparently flies planes, then again we had yer man from German Wings do what he did in the Alps some years back so nothing would surprise ya


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This should be compulsory reading

QAnon is not something to laugh at, it's a rapidly spreading cancer of the mind and could have devastating effects if Trump keeps power or if he says something incendiary around election time or if he actually does lose the election

It could have devastating effects whatever happens


https://www.justsecurity.org/72339/qanon-is-a-nazi-cult-rebranded/

QAnon is a Nazi Cult, Rebranded

A secret cabal is taking over the world. They kidnap children, slaughter, and eat them to gain power from their blood. They control high positions in government, banks, international finance, the news media, and the church. They want to disarm the police. They promote homosexuality and pedophilia. They plan to mongrelize the white race so it will lose its essential power.

Does this conspiracy theory sound familiar? It is. The same narrative has been repackaged by QAnon.

I have studied and worked to prevent genocide for forty years. Genocide Watch and the Alliance Against Genocide, the first international anti-genocide coalition, see such hate-filled conspiracy theories as early warning signs of deadly genocidal violence.

The plot, described above, was the conspiracy “revealed” in the most influential anti-Jewish pamphlet of all time. It was called The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It was written by Russian anti-Jewish propagandists around 1902. It collected myths about a Jewish plot to take over the world that had existed for hundreds of years. Central to its mythology was the Blood Libel, which claimed that Jews kidnapped and slaughtered Christian children and drained their blood to mix in the dough for matzos consumed on Jewish holidays.



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Compulsory reading sounds like fascism.
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All that effort gone into responding to Byrner of all people...
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Quote The insinuation that Trump selflessly "gave up his career" to become president for the betterment of society and not his own personal and financial gain is... 

There is no financial gain for him because as we know, he takes no salary from the job. It's not like he needs it.

After he became President, more jobs and lower taxes revitalised the economy, as it usually does in the USA, and elsewhere. Everyone needs a job  to live a decent quality of life, so that they're not dependent on the state to run their lives for them. 

I have nothing to say in this thread about hysterectomy operations, as it has nothing to do with American politics. The claim that specifically Trump voters "want it", is as ludicrous as the claim posted before, that Trump himself can tear up the American Constitution to have a third term as President. 
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Quote The insinuation that Trump selflessly "gave up his career" to become president for the betterment of society and not his own personal and financial gain is... 

s as ludicrous as the claim posted before, that Trump himself can tear up the American Constitution to have a third term as President. 

Would you at least concede that his behaviour in insinuating, on more than one occasion, that he is going to try to do just thaut is grossly irresponsible? 
They finally did it man... They killed my f**kin' car...
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:



I have nothing to say in this thread about hysterectomy operations, as it has nothing to do with American politics. The claim that specifically Trump voters "want it", is as ludicrous as the claim posted before, that Trump himself can tear up the American Constitution to have a third term as President. 

Sorry there planning but how is the horrendous abuse on what looks like an extremely large scale of immigrants in US detention centers nothing to do with US politics? Does the US government have no responsibility for this or something? It's absolutely ridiculous to suggest it has nothing to do with politics? 
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