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 Posted: 25 Aug 2023 at 3:44pm |
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A loan to a League One club expecting to challenge for automatic promotion wouldn't have been a bad thing. |
Not necessarily a bad thing, but already the likes of Charlton and Reading look like they are in for a slog this term. I would rather see him score goals against the likes of PSV or Ajax as opposed to Leyton Orient and Cheltenham. |
I didn't necessarily mean either of those. Derby could have been a good fit earlier in the window.
I don't see him having much joy in the bigger games.
Last season's results:
Twente 4-0 Excelsior Excelsior 1-6 PSV Eindhoven Ajax 7-1 Excelsior Excelsior 2-1 AZ Alkmaar Feyenoord 5-1 Excelsior Sparta Rotterdam 1-0 Excelsior Excelsior 1-4 Ajax AZ Alkmaar 5-0 Excelsior Excelsior 1-4 Sparta Rotterdam Excelsior 0-0 Twente PSV Eindhoven 5-0 Excelsior Excelsior 0-2 Feyenoord
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Posted: 25 Aug 2023 at 3:49pm |
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
Het-field wrote:
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
A loan to a League One club expecting to challenge for automatic promotion wouldn't have been a bad thing. |
Not necessarily a bad thing, but already the likes of Charlton and Reading look like they are in for a slog this term. I would rather see him score goals against the likes of PSV or Ajax as opposed to Leyton Orient and Cheltenham. |
I didn't necessarily mean either of those. Derby could have been a good fit earlier in the window.
I don't see him having much joy in the bigger games.
Last season's results:
Twente 4-0 Excelsior Excelsior 1-6 PSV Eindhoven Ajax 7-1 Excelsior Excelsior 2-1 AZ Alkmaar Feyenoord 5-1 Excelsior Sparta Rotterdam 1-0 Excelsior Excelsior 1-4 Ajax AZ Alkmaar 5-0 Excelsior Excelsior 1-4 Sparta Rotterdam Excelsior 0-0 Twente PSV Eindhoven 5-0 Excelsior Excelsior 0-2 Feyenoord
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I suspect viable options in League One were considered. But there is an argument that playing on the front foot wouldn’t necessarily help Parrott, first if he doesn’t score fairly regularly (as has been the case in a number of his moves), or if it involves ‘flat track bullying’ the Leyton Orient’s of the world.
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Posted: 25 Aug 2023 at 3:50pm |
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
The O'Shea wrote:
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I'm not sure what people are expecting in terms of loan deals for Parrott. There is a difference between the 'up and coming' Troy Parrott of 2019, and the loan-star journeyman of 2023. Given his stints in the Championship have not been prolific it becomes understandable that there is not a clamour for his services, at that level. The alternative is League One, or a higher league in a different country. While I wouldnt overstate the quality of the Eredevisie, I think this has the potential to be a good move, especially for a player at his age. I always think a year in the top division of a team on continent would benefit a player between the age of 20-22, as opposed to a local move to a lower league team. It may not look great on paper, but is it any worse than if he signed for Charlton Athletic or Reading? |
A loan to a League One club expecting to challenge for automatic promotion wouldn't have been a bad thing. |
So he can play against Burton, Bolton, and Wycombe as opposed to Ajax, PSV, and Feyenoord...  |
Barely having a touch of the ball in a losing team will certainly teach him the Éire way.
Ajax beat them 7-1 last season.
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Why reference last season when as recently as last Saturday Excelsior and Ajax drew 2-2?
Oh, sorry, it doesn't suit your point.
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Posted: 25 Aug 2023 at 3:53pm |
Eoink21 wrote:
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
The O'Shea wrote:
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
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I'm not sure what people are expecting in terms of loan deals for Parrott. There is a difference between the 'up and coming' Troy Parrott of 2019, and the loan-star journeyman of 2023. Given his stints in the Championship have not been prolific it becomes understandable that there is not a clamour for his services, at that level. The alternative is League One, or a higher league in a different country. While I wouldnt overstate the quality of the Eredevisie, I think this has the potential to be a good move, especially for a player at his age. I always think a year in the top division of a team on continent would benefit a player between the age of 20-22, as opposed to a local move to a lower league team. It may not look great on paper, but is it any worse than if he signed for Charlton Athletic or Reading? |
A loan to a League One club expecting to challenge for automatic promotion wouldn't have been a bad thing. |
So he can play against Burton, Bolton, and Wycombe as opposed to Ajax, PSV, and Feyenoord... |
Barely having a touch of the ball in a losing team will certainly teach him the Éire way.
Ajax beat them 7-1 last season.
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Why reference last season when as recently as last Saturday Excelsior and Ajax drew 2-2?
Oh, sorry, it doesn't suit your point. |
Larger sample size? I wouldn't be judging any teams based on 1-2 games this season.
As mentioned in my list from last season, they beat AZ Alkmaar 2-1 and drew 0-0 with Twente. The result from last weekend might or might not be a rare result. Ajax aren't in good shape at the moment. A good time to play them.
So jog on with your sh*te talk.
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Posted: 25 Aug 2023 at 3:56pm |
Het-field wrote:
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
Het-field wrote:
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
A loan to a League One club expecting to challenge for automatic promotion wouldn't have been a bad thing. |
Not necessarily a bad thing, but already the likes of Charlton and Reading look like they are in for a slog this term. I would rather see him score goals against the likes of PSV or Ajax as opposed to Leyton Orient and Cheltenham. |
I didn't necessarily mean either of those. Derby could have been a good fit earlier in the window.
I don't see him having much joy in the bigger games.
Last season's results:
Twente 4-0 Excelsior Excelsior 1-6 PSV Eindhoven Ajax 7-1 Excelsior Excelsior 2-1 AZ Alkmaar Feyenoord 5-1 Excelsior Sparta Rotterdam 1-0 Excelsior Excelsior 1-4 Ajax AZ Alkmaar 5-0 Excelsior Excelsior 1-4 Sparta Rotterdam Excelsior 0-0 Twente PSV Eindhoven 5-0 Excelsior Excelsior 0-2 Feyenoord
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I suspect viable options in League One were considered. But there is an argument that playing on the front foot wouldn’t necessarily help Parrott, first if he doesn’t score fairly regularly (as has been the case in a number of his moves), or if it involves ‘flat track bullying’ the Leyton Orient’s of the world. |
You think Spurs want him to get used to playing in a team that doesn't represent Ange's style or their ambitions moving forward?
Solid logic. Oh, wait, it's absolute waffle.
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Posted: 25 Aug 2023 at 4:01pm |
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
Het-field wrote:
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
Het-field wrote:
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
A loan to a League One club expecting to challenge for automatic promotion wouldn't have been a bad thing. |
Not necessarily a bad thing, but already the likes of Charlton and Reading look like they are in for a slog this term. I would rather see him score goals against the likes of PSV or Ajax as opposed to Leyton Orient and Cheltenham. |
I didn't necessarily mean either of those. Derby could have been a good fit earlier in the window.
I don't see him having much joy in the bigger games.
Last season's results:
Twente 4-0 Excelsior Excelsior 1-6 PSV Eindhoven Ajax 7-1 Excelsior Excelsior 2-1 AZ Alkmaar Feyenoord 5-1 Excelsior Sparta Rotterdam 1-0 Excelsior Excelsior 1-4 Ajax AZ Alkmaar 5-0 Excelsior Excelsior 1-4 Sparta Rotterdam Excelsior 0-0 Twente PSV Eindhoven 5-0 Excelsior Excelsior 0-2 Feyenoord
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I suspect viable options in League One were considered. But there is an argument that playing on the front foot wouldn’t necessarily help Parrott, first if he doesn’t score fairly regularly (as has been the case in a number of his moves), or if it involves ‘flat track bullying’ the Leyton Orient’s of the world. |
You think Spurs want him to get used to playing in a team that doesn't represent Ange's style or their ambitions moving forward?
Solid logic. Oh, wait, it's absolute waffle. |
I highly doubt Spurs envisage any sort of future for him at the club. They probably just want to loan him somewhere that could increase his value the most
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Posted: 25 Aug 2023 at 4:07pm |
SeaSharp wrote:
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
Het-field wrote:
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
Het-field wrote:
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
A loan to a League One club expecting to challenge for automatic promotion wouldn't have been a bad thing. |
Not necessarily a bad thing, but already the likes of Charlton and Reading look like they are in for a slog this term. I would rather see him score goals against the likes of PSV or Ajax as opposed to Leyton Orient and Cheltenham. |
I didn't necessarily mean either of those. Derby could have been a good fit earlier in the window.
I don't see him having much joy in the bigger games.
Last season's results:
Twente 4-0 Excelsior Excelsior 1-6 PSV Eindhoven Ajax 7-1 Excelsior Excelsior 2-1 AZ Alkmaar Feyenoord 5-1 Excelsior Sparta Rotterdam 1-0 Excelsior Excelsior 1-4 Ajax AZ Alkmaar 5-0 Excelsior Excelsior 1-4 Sparta Rotterdam Excelsior 0-0 Twente PSV Eindhoven 5-0 Excelsior Excelsior 0-2 Feyenoord
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I suspect viable options in League One were considered. But there is an argument that playing on the front foot wouldn’t necessarily help Parrott, first if he doesn’t score fairly regularly (as has been the case in a number of his moves), or if it involves ‘flat track bullying’ the Leyton Orient’s of the world. |
You think Spurs want him to get used to playing in a team that doesn't represent Ange's style or their ambitions moving forward?
Solid logic. Oh, wait, it's absolute waffle. |
I highly doubt Spurs envisage any sort of future for him at the club. They probably just want to loan him somewhere that could increase his value the most |
Unless this loan is a major success (10-15 goals), it's unlikely to result in a sale for a decent fee.
There are definitely other clubs he would have been better suited to. A similar loan to the MK Dons one would get English clubs interested in buying him. Excelsior won't be on everyone's radar.
He's still only 21. They really shouldn't be writing him off completely.
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Posted: 25 Aug 2023 at 4:10pm |
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
The O'Shea wrote:
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
Het-field wrote:
I'm not sure what people are expecting in terms of loan deals for Parrott. There is a difference between the 'up and coming' Troy Parrott of 2019, and the loan-star journeyman of 2023. Given his stints in the Championship have not been prolific it becomes understandable that there is not a clamour for his services, at that level. The alternative is League One, or a higher league in a different country. While I wouldnt overstate the quality of the Eredevisie, I think this has the potential to be a good move, especially for a player at his age. I always think a year in the top division of a team on continent would benefit a player between the age of 20-22, as opposed to a local move to a lower league team. It may not look great on paper, but is it any worse than if he signed for Charlton Athletic or Reading? |
A loan to a League One club expecting to challenge for automatic promotion wouldn't have been a bad thing. |
So he can play against Burton, Bolton, and Wycombe as opposed to Ajax, PSV, and Feyenoord... |
Barely having a touch of the ball in a losing team will certainly teach him the Éire way.
Ajax beat them 7-1 last season.
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But did they not already draw 2-2 with them this season.
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Posted: 25 Aug 2023 at 4:11pm |
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
Het-field wrote:
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
Het-field wrote:
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
A loan to a League One club expecting to challenge for automatic promotion wouldn't have been a bad thing. |
Not necessarily a bad thing, but already the likes of Charlton and Reading look like they are in for a slog this term. I would rather see him score goals against the likes of PSV or Ajax as opposed to Leyton Orient and Cheltenham. |
I didn't necessarily mean either of those. Derby could have been a good fit earlier in the window.
I don't see him having much joy in the bigger games.
Last season's results:
Twente 4-0 Excelsior Excelsior 1-6 PSV Eindhoven Ajax 7-1 Excelsior Excelsior 2-1 AZ Alkmaar Feyenoord 5-1 Excelsior Sparta Rotterdam 1-0 Excelsior Excelsior 1-4 Ajax AZ Alkmaar 5-0 Excelsior Excelsior 1-4 Sparta Rotterdam Excelsior 0-0 Twente PSV Eindhoven 5-0 Excelsior Excelsior 0-2 Feyenoord
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I suspect viable options in League One were considered. But there is an argument that playing on the front foot wouldn’t necessarily help Parrott, first if he doesn’t score fairly regularly (as has been the case in a number of his moves), or if it involves ‘flat track bullying’ the Leyton Orient’s of the world. |
You think Spurs want him to get used to playing in a team that doesn't represent Ange's style or their ambitions moving forward?
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I seriously doubt either Ange or Spurs particularly care about Troy in that respect. They'll have long since given up on him. It's probably as simple as either Excelsior were the only team that made an offer for him, or they were the team that offered to cover the higher percentage of his wages.
Troy will never be a first team regular for Spurs. He simply isn't good enough.
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Posted: 25 Aug 2023 at 4:11pm |
kevincronin2000 wrote:
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
The O'Shea wrote:
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
Het-field wrote:
I'm not sure what people are expecting in terms of loan deals for Parrott. There is a difference between the 'up and coming' Troy Parrott of 2019, and the loan-star journeyman of 2023. Given his stints in the Championship have not been prolific it becomes understandable that there is not a clamour for his services, at that level. The alternative is League One, or a higher league in a different country. While I wouldnt overstate the quality of the Eredevisie, I think this has the potential to be a good move, especially for a player at his age. I always think a year in the top division of a team on continent would benefit a player between the age of 20-22, as opposed to a local move to a lower league team. It may not look great on paper, but is it any worse than if he signed for Charlton Athletic or Reading? |
A loan to a League One club expecting to challenge for automatic promotion wouldn't have been a bad thing. |
So he can play against Burton, Bolton, and Wycombe as opposed to Ajax, PSV, and Feyenoord... |
Barely having a touch of the ball in a losing team will certainly teach him the Éire way.
Ajax beat them 7-1 last season.
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But did they not already draw 2-2 with them this season. |
What a team. Troy will have work cut out getting into the side now. Can't catch a break.
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Posted: 25 Aug 2023 at 4:12pm |
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You think Spurs want him to get used to playing in a team that doesn't represent Ange's style or their ambitions moving forward?
Solid logic. Oh, wait, it's absolute waffle. |
That would depend on if he is in Postecoglou's plans or not. Is he in his plans?
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Posted: 25 Aug 2023 at 4:17pm |
This is probably last chance saloon stuff for Parrott if he is to have any hope of a career at Spurs.
He would probably need to have an exceptional season scoring 15 + goals in the Eredivisie but I wouldn't blame Postecoglou if he already doesn't have Parrott in his future plans.
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Posted: 25 Aug 2023 at 4:18pm |
You Tell Me wrote:
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
Het-field wrote:
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
Het-field wrote:
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
A loan to a League One club expecting to challenge for automatic promotion wouldn't have been a bad thing. |
Not necessarily a bad thing, but already the likes of Charlton and Reading look like they are in for a slog this term. I would rather see him score goals against the likes of PSV or Ajax as opposed to Leyton Orient and Cheltenham. |
I didn't necessarily mean either of those. Derby could have been a good fit earlier in the window.
I don't see him having much joy in the bigger games.
Last season's results:
Twente 4-0 Excelsior Excelsior 1-6 PSV Eindhoven Ajax 7-1 Excelsior Excelsior 2-1 AZ Alkmaar Feyenoord 5-1 Excelsior Sparta Rotterdam 1-0 Excelsior Excelsior 1-4 Ajax AZ Alkmaar 5-0 Excelsior Excelsior 1-4 Sparta Rotterdam Excelsior 0-0 Twente PSV Eindhoven 5-0 Excelsior Excelsior 0-2 Feyenoord
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I suspect viable options in League One were considered. But there is an argument that playing on the front foot wouldn’t necessarily help Parrott, first if he doesn’t score fairly regularly (as has been the case in a number of his moves), or if it involves ‘flat track bullying’ the Leyton Orient’s of the world. |
You think Spurs want him to get used to playing in a team that doesn't represent Ange's style or their ambitions moving forward?
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I seriously doubt either Ange or Spurs particularly care about Troy in that respect. They'll have long since given up on him. It's probably as simple as either Excelsior were the only team that made an offer for him, or they were the team that offered to cover the higher percentage of his wages.
Troy will never be a first team regular for Spurs. He simply isn't good enough. |
Unlikely, but you never know.
He showed what he can do at League One level in an MK Dons side that pushed for promotion. A similar loan could have been found. And it could lead to a decent fee for him. 9/10 goals & 7 assists 2 years ago. There are League One clubs that could do with that type of output.
I think he'll do well to score 8 league goals this season. Their top scorer last season finished on 6 goals overall.
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Posted: 25 Aug 2023 at 4:23pm |
Het-field wrote:
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You think Spurs want him to get used to playing in a team that doesn't represent Ange's style or their ambitions moving forward?
Solid logic. Oh, wait, it's absolute waffle. |
That would depend on if he is in Postecoglou's plans or not. Is he in his plans? |
Nobody has that answer.
Sending him on loan to a team that's battled for safety over the past 2 seasons is not best way to make him a sellable asset.
Young League One players who scored 10-20 goals sometimes get picked up by bigger clubs i.e. Twine.
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Posted: 25 Aug 2023 at 4:29pm |
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Nobody has that answer.
Sending him on loan to a team that's battled for safety over the past 2 seasons is not best way to make him a sellable asset.
Young League One players who scored 10-20 goals sometimes get picked up by bigger clubs i.e. Twine. |
A team battling safety is not a precursor to somebody scoring 10+ goals.
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Posted: 25 Aug 2023 at 4:36pm |
Het-field wrote:
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Nobody has that answer.
Sending him on loan to a team that's battled for safety over the past 2 seasons is not best way to make him a sellable asset.
Young League One players who scored 10-20 goals sometimes get picked up by bigger clubs i.e. Twine. |
A team battling safety is not a precursor to somebody scoring 10+ goals.
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Do you think a player has a better chance at scoring 10+ goals for Everton this season over Fulham or Brentford?
Because Parrott has basically been sent to Everton over there.
Impossible to score 10+ goals? No. More difficult? Yes.
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Thank you Wanderer, for voicing an opinion I'd hope many on here would agree with. Over the past few years, this forum has far too often devolved into the proverbial "pissing match" between individuals who sadly seem ill equipped to cope with the fact that others may not agree with their point of view. A microcosm of Society in general. Let's aspire to do better.
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Posted: 25 Aug 2023 at 4:52pm |
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
Het-field wrote:
Banana_RepublicFC wrote:
Nobody has that answer.
Sending him on loan to a team that's battled for safety over the past 2 seasons is not best way to make him a sellable asset.
Young League One players who scored 10-20 goals sometimes get picked up by bigger clubs i.e. Twine. |
A team battling safety is not a precursor to somebody scoring 10+ goals.
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Do you think a player has a better chance at scoring 10+ goals for Everton this season over Fulham or Brentford?
Because Parrott has basically been sent to Everton over there.
Impossible to score 10+ goals? No. More difficult? Yes. |
More difficult, sure. But that doesn't mean the loan won't be a success if he doesn't score 10+. What if he sets up a number of goals via assists, or the manager redeploys him in a deeper role? And it could be argue that if he had a poor return at a 'front foot' League One team that it would damage his value, and eliminate any material chance of Spurs working with him over the longer term. I also return to my view that a move to the continent for a year won't hurt his development, and might even be a time of maturation for him.
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