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shakeyshamrock ![]() 500 Club la la la ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 May 2011 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 523 |
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Lost count of the amount of times Long went through on goal and missed - the finish against Germany was the outlier there
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The O'Shea ![]() Jack Charlton ![]() ![]() I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 8317 |
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Also worth noting in this case that just before taking the shot, Parrott had sprinted from his own box up to the other end of the pitch to support Obafemi. I did think at the time he looked like his legs were giving way, and maybe that's why the ball kind of gets left behind him and he scuffs the shot.
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Artie Ziff ![]() Liam Brady ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Oct 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2932 |
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Under normal times Parrott would still be with the under 21s. We really have no strikers, Idah, Connolly and Parrott need more time. Hogan, Collins and Maguire have shown they are not the answer. Obafemi if he can stay injury could be good.
Scraping the barrel
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Mr Brick ![]() Liam Brady ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Nov 2017 Location: Eileen's Bar Status: Offline Points: 1367 |
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But sometimes we don't help ourselves. Against Scotland: Championship goals this season: Starters: Parrott + Obafemi = 1 goal On bench: Hogan + Ogbene = 9 goals. Our best-performed striker Hogan never made it on to the pitch when we're desperately chasing an equaliser. Doesn't make sense. Edited by Mr Brick - 26 Sep 2022 at 4:25am |
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Baldrick ![]() Robbie Keane ![]() ![]() Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 29844 |
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Yes it does. James collins went through a run when he scored a lot of Goals. He still shouldn’t have been within an assess roar of the squad or team as he did not have the quality for international football. Hogan is very limited player who can score goals against poor teams. The international manager has the right and responsibility to assess players ability close up in training and see who fits the team overall. Not just pick those with best stats this season. You can’t build anything using that model. No cohesion or partnerships etc.
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AKA pedantic kunt
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t_rAndy ![]() Robbie Keane ![]() Joined: 06 Feb 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 24935 |
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In Hogan's case it does make sense. 11 caps, no goals. I think Kenny is also going for a balance upfront. One with pace and power, one with a bit more technical ability. It's kind of Obafemi or Ogbene for one of the positions. Then Parrott or Robinson or Hogan for the other. You heard him after the game that he was very happy with Parrott. If Parrot had of scored his chance he would have been getting high praise all round for his performance. That miss and all of a sudden he had a bad game and is having a bad season. Whereas anyone watching his knows he has been good. The goals will come.
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John Nice ![]() Liam Brady ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Sep 2021 Location: Wexford Status: Offline Points: 2566 |
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Tbf, I think Parrott did ok in general play, but asides from the glaring miss, which has been the subject of much discussion (it was the finish of a striker low on confidence/goals), he had a chance first half to play a simple square ball to Knight and he took on a shot from a bad angle which was easily blocked (that was a really good chance). He also wasnt crisp in his hold up play. He's a really good prospect and nobody is giving up on him, but all in all, he had a poor game. That doesnt make him a poor player and hopefully he'll learn from the mistakes, but he has to do better at this level in situations like those. I do like the look of his partnership with Obafemi, they look like they are on the same wavelength when they play relatively close to one another, so thats promising going forward. People seem to think we just have to turn up and we'll beat Armenia, I'm not sure about that, we will probably struggle to create chances again, so it is crucial that we take them when they come along. For that reason, I would start Ogbene and I'd consider Hogan early 2nd half if we still havent got the lead goal. I like Troy, but he's learning on the job out of necessity. I think if he had a few goals under his belt coming into Saturdays game, he scores that chance.
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Idah Dream!
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John Nice ![]() Liam Brady ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Sep 2021 Location: Wexford Status: Offline Points: 2566 |
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Also, I think its Obafemi, Ogbene or Hogan with one of Parrott or Robinson if we are going with a 2 up front. Hogan is not a lad who drops deep and gets involved in build up play. I would consider going with a 3 up front vs Armenia (I know it hasnt worked before but I'd like to see a 5-2-3 tried with Robinson (or Parrott, but I wouldnt start him personally) and Ogbene to the left and right respectively of a central striker, Obafemi/Hogan to share the game time in that position. Hendrick and Molumby in midfield.
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Idah Dream!
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t_rAndy ![]() Robbie Keane ![]() Joined: 06 Feb 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 24935 |
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Yes I also agree about the Parrott and Obafemi partnership. Let's not forget it produced two cracking goals vs. Scotland the last time they played together.
Again the other night they worked well and Parrott should have scored with the chance Obafemi wasted. I think he would be mad to give up on that straight away. I wouldn't be cursing Kenny if he did drop one of them for Ogbene but I would personally stick with the 2 if they were fit. Let's not also forget, we went a lot worse in the 2nd half yesterday when Obafemi and then Parrott went off the pitch.
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John Nice ![]() Liam Brady ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Sep 2021 Location: Wexford Status: Offline Points: 2566 |
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I just wouldnt trust Troy to put that one big chance away at the moment and I think we will need to take the chances we create. I also wouldnt be critical of Kenny if he does go with him again, it's a tough call. It's hard to ignore Ogbene's form this season though, he has scored 5 in 10 starts and he has scored goals for Kenny previously. I know Hogan has 5 also, but he did get 3 in one game which can sometimes skew the numbers (an outlier) and Ogbene is more dangerous in general play then Hogan.
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Idah Dream!
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Hotlips_Hoolahan ![]() Jack Charlton ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Aug 2020 Status: Offline Points: 6600 |
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When Nathan Collins made that ridiculous challenge on Grealish, I knew there'd be at least one mosher defending it. And surely enough now there are people saying "maybe Parrott's chance wasn't a sitter".
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84ccfc84 ![]() Alan Kernaghan ![]() Joined: 26 Sep 2022 Status: Offline Points: 130 |
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ogbene was desperate in the last window. dont think hes good enough to be a starting international level forward.
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The O'Shea ![]() Jack Charlton ![]() ![]() I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 8317 |
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He's got 4 goals in 16 games! That's already pretty much as good a strike rate as any of our strikers have managed bar Robbie Keane. Obafemi and Parrott have shown lots of promise as a partnership imo, it would be insane to throw that away based on one scuffed finish. Like just think about it for a second, why on earth would you weight one miss more highly than the 2 brilliant goals they scored/assisted each other for in the home game to Scotland? It's just recency bias, it's certainly not rational.
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We're decent enough..
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Hotlips_Hoolahan ![]() Jack Charlton ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Aug 2020 Status: Offline Points: 6600 |
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It's not one miss.
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Mr Brick ![]() Liam Brady ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Nov 2017 Location: Eileen's Bar Status: Offline Points: 1367 |
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So Hogan's problem is non-recency bias. That explains it.
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John Nice ![]() Liam Brady ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Sep 2021 Location: Wexford Status: Offline Points: 2566 |
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This 4 in 16 thing is trotted out a lot about Parrott and let me be clear here, I rate Troy and think he is already an important player in our squad, but the records of the 4 options are set out hereunder, there's nothing in it between them all at this point tbh. If anything Ogbene's record is the best of the lot and he's the man in form at club level.. I have already said it's a tough decision, but on balance I wouldnt trust Troy atm to put that one big chance away, so I'd have him on the bench for this one. You could also say why isnt Dozie starting just cos Parrott and Obafemi clicked in one game. Should it now just be Parrott and Obafemi in perpetuity? Parrott has 4 in 16, 2 vs Andorra in a friendly, 1 vs Lithuania in a friendly, 1 in a competitive fixture vs Scotland. Ogbene has 3 in 11, 1 in a friendly vs Belgium, 2 in competitive fixtures vs Azerbaijan and Luxembourg Obafemi 1 in 5, competitive vs Scotland Robinson 7 in 31, 4 in friendlies, 3 in competitive fixtures
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Idah Dream!
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t_rAndy ![]() Robbie Keane ![]() Joined: 06 Feb 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 24935 |
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He didn't choke in the 96th minute against Lithuania. He didn't choke against Scotland the first time around. He is 20 years old. He is not finished article and he will have some good games and some bad games. Thought he was actually good the other night other than the miss and also not squaring for knight (think we scored the resulting corner though). That will come with more experience in my opinion. I'm delighted we have someone that appears to have a high enough ceiling coming through. Of course he still has a long way to go. He works well with Obfami. I'd stick with it a bit longer. Hogan and Obafemi might not work out so well together. Leave that experiment to a friendly next month even |
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