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    Posted: 18 Nov 2015 at 10:49am
Should probably just called this the "Questions for SuperDave" thread !

Anyways, I haven't had much experience of travelling in France on trains. I know the network is extensive and trains regular but anybody know how it is cost wise ? Is it like DB in Germany where you can take slower trains which will be cheaper etc?

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Inter rail passes - France 8 days travel over a 30 day period €313 for Adults and €232 for U26's. Surcharges for express trains.
Check out Seat61 website, best info.
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Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Inter rail passes - France 8 days travel over a 30 day period €313 for Adults and €232 for U26's. Surcharges for express trains.
Check out Seat61 website, best info.

Would think that individual tickets would have to be cheaper than that depending on where you would be travelling to etc. 
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Inter rail passes - France 8 days travel over a 30 day period €313 for Adults and €232 for U26's. Surcharges for express trains.
Check out Seat61 website, best info.

Would think that individual tickets would have to be cheaper than that depending on where you would be travelling to etc. 
Maybe, but I hope to attend games other than ours which entails extra days travel. Regional trains could suffice if travelling between Lyon/St Etienne/Bordeaux etc...
On thing about the French trains is that most TGV require compulsory reservations which could be up to a tenner and they have a limit of seats for pass holders.
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Individual tickets may work out a lot cheaper. An interrail pass is unlikely to be the best bet.

Say we end up with an itinerary like Lens, Paris, Lille: then local trains will easily be the best bet and cheap as chips.

If we end up with something like Lille, Bordeaux, Lyon, individual tickets booked in advance could be under €150, but could be more. An interrail pass doesn't include reservations for TGVs which are either €10 or €15 a time, and limited quota as well (i.e. if you have a pass, even if there are seats on the train, you might not be able to reserve a seat, if the interrail quota has all been reserved, or if the train is nearly full). The interrail pass is likely to come to over €400 total..... the most expensive TGV tickets are rarely over €100 a pop, and should be less if you are organised and book specific trains in advance.
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SD I'm not impressed with SNCF upping their fares for french fans travelling to their matches. Have you heard anything from the grapevine as to whether the train fares that'll be released next month are going to be like? in some instances fares for trains heading to french matches are nearly double what they normally are!

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Its obvious that SNCF as sponsors have had an input in the crazy venue layout. Absolute madness that cities haven't been paired.
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Aw well as SNCF's lobbying, I get the impression the way its designed is to encourage 2/3 day trips to match venues to increase visitor numbers instead of the traditional longer trips where the same people go to all their teams games. People on a 2/3 trip are likely to spend more than those working off a limited tournament budget.
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Trains to venues on the day of matches will be expensive. I imagine the tickets released next month will be similar to the ones already released: they will only be a limited number of trains, to venues hosting matches, on the day of matches. The 10th March, when regular trains start going on sale, is likely to be a better bet. For example, if we are playing, say, in C2, on the 12th in Lille, 16th in Lyon and 21st in Marseille, travelling Lille to Lyon on the 14th or 15th on a regular train (not a euro 2016 matchday special), and Lyon to Marseille on the 19th (again, not on a matchday special) should be a better bet. Regular French people still need to travel and SNCF won't want to piss them off either.

I'm not saying it definitely will be, but I'd be more confident doing that and waiting til March than booking in December on the matchday specials (I doubt there will be more than those going on sale next month, anyway, although I could be wrong). Also, in respect of those on sale already, there *were* very cheap tickets when they first went on sale, in line with the normal entry prices, afaik, but they were quickly snapped up.

Just a word of warning: SNCF have been known to try crafty stuff in the past, like charging foreigners more simply for buying from abroad. If you speak French, use the French language site, or otherwise try captaintrain.com. Both of those should have the lowest prices. The UK one charges a currency conversion mark up in sterling, so definitely don't book off that one.
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SD, what do you think a reasonable train budget would be? We are looking at hiring a car for €300 each, would you realistically get 3/4 trains for much less than that? If they hike up prices like. Also would the cheap tickets be extremely limited? Include extras then for buses and taxis to replace short car journeys.

I'm getting quotes of €30 ish for medium length trains and €60 ish for longer journeys next January. But that is extreme off peak. If they raise prices for normal french matches I can only imagine what they will do for the Euro's.
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I'd be shocked if your train journeys were more than €300. Plus remember the costs of road tolls: €72 Lille to Marseille, according to another thread.

No train should be more than €100 even if you leave it late, and they should be a lot less.
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Worst case scenario, Interrail pass. 3 days travel within a month for €317. (€250 if you're under 26)

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@SD If you had to make a decision right now on a single base for the group stage what would be your choice based on using trains to get to our matches and maybe a few others as well?
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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Worst case scenario, Interrail pass. 3 days travel within a month for €317. (€250 if you're under 26)

 
6 days Travel unless you travel in & out on same day.
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Paris would be the base, if I was going to pick a base, because everywhere has loads of daily services from Paris..... but I very likely won't be using Paris as a base.

€18 reservation on TGVs with an interrail pass to be added on top though, and they also need to be booked in advance, as once the train is full, you can't get on, and all TGVs are compulsory reservation..... you'd be cheaper waiting til actual individual train tickets go on sale, in case they are cheaper. There are some €9 TGV reservations available, but not that many, and they will go quickly.
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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

I'd be shocked if your train journeys were more than €300. Plus remember the costs of road tolls: €72 Lille to Marseille, according to another thread.

No train should be more than €100 even if you leave it late, and they should be a lot less.


Thanks. It's the option of staying in campsites outside of the majority cities, which the car allows and trains really don't that is the main motivation for us to take a car as opposed to trains/buses. It could save us 20-30 each per night (300 over the fortnight).

There's an option of supporters buses to and from matches from a base between host cities, but that could depend on how far away our games are drawn. Would be hard to find a base between Bordeax Lille and Nice for example!
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