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    Posted: 16 Sep 2023 at 2:37am
Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

The issue here is that Vata likely is good enough, if not now, then in the not too distant future (Doak was similar) as evidenced by the fact Ange was giving him game time. It reflects poorly on Celtic imo that they cant even get their very best underage talents to commit and it surely points to issues with how they develop such talents. They are dominant in their league, they should be able to have a spot or two open to their best young players for games at home vs the bottom 6 for example. To me this is a problem with the culture and/or vision within the club.


agree with this, although with doak money seems to have been a factor as well
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Are Celtic really gonna give minutes to a player who looks to have one foot out the door. If he's in two minds minutes could convince him to stay but if he's adamant about leaving why give him minutes that could be given to someone else.

I agree, I think he's going to sign a pre-contract elsewhere in Jan. My point is that I think he is good enough for a squad role at Celtic, unfortunately it now looks like that ship has sailed.

I do think Johnston will get a chance and significant game time (if he can stay fit)
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Are Celtic really gonna give minutes to a player who looks to have one foot out the door. If he's in two minds minutes could convince him to stay but if he's adamant about leaving why give him minutes that could be given to someone else.
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

People are expecting him to be playing for the Celtic senior team week in week out.

Tbf there were signs towards the back end of last season that the prospect of him making match day squads each week under Ange was not far fetched. Obviously the contract situation, new manager has moved the dial and the likelihood at this point is he signs a pre-contract with somebody in January. 

He is very talented, the best (and most mature) of our very good U19 crop of attackers imo. All other things being equal, I think a squad role at Celtci would have been viable.
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People are expecting him to be playing for the Celtic senior team week in week out.
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

He played 4 times under Ange before getting injured. The guy is still a kid to be fair. He’s a lot of growing to do. Some difference between him and Armstrong. 
Has plenty of time to grow, he'll still be eligible for the 2027 U21 Euros, he's well ahead of schedule!
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He played 4 times under Ange before getting injured. The guy is still a kid to be fair. He’s a lot of growing to do. Some difference between him and Armstrong. 
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Originally posted by tonyjaa tonyjaa wrote:

It looks like Abada is out for 4-5 months with a thigh tear according to the SMSM

Good chance for Vata to get minutes over the winter
Hopefully although apparently Celtic planning convert him to central striker
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Originally posted by J89 J89 wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by tonyjaa tonyjaa wrote:

It looks like Abada is out for 4-5 months with a thigh tear according to the SMSM

Good chance for Vata to get minutes over the winter


And/or for Johnston who I see has been named in their CL squad (along with Scales) - Dont think Vata has to be named in that as he's U21 and club trained.


Likely to meet the homegrown/club trained quota.

I wouldnt think so, he played previously under Rodgers and I think he will do so again. It was Ange who didnt take a shine to him and sent him out on loan. I see he is back in training also. I think he'll see game time under Rodgers.
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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by tonyjaa tonyjaa wrote:

It looks like Abada is out for 4-5 months with a thigh tear according to the SMSM

Good chance for Vata to get minutes over the winter


And/or for Johnston who I see has been named in their CL squad (along with Scales) - Dont think Vata has to be named in that as he's U21 and club trained.


Likely to meet the homegrown/club trained quota.
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Unless he signs the contract - Celtic will keep him with the B team unfortunately 
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Originally posted by tonyjaa tonyjaa wrote:

It looks like Abada is out for 4-5 months with a thigh tear according to the SMSM

Good chance for Vata to get minutes over the winter

And/or for Johnston who I see has been named in their CL squad (along with Scales) - Dont think Vata has to be named in that as he's U21 and club trained.
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It looks like Abada is out for 4-5 months with a thigh tear according to the SMSM

Good chance for Vata to get minutes over the winter
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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

The issue here is that Vata likely is good enough, if not now, then in the not too distant future (Doak was similar) as evidenced by the fact Ange was giving him game time. It reflects poorly on Celtic imo that they cant even get their very best underage talents to commit and it surely points to issues with how they develop such talents. They are dominant in their league, they should be able to have a spot or two open to their best young players for games at home vs the bottom 6 for example. To me this is a problem with the culture and/or vision within the club.


You’re not far wrong, but the suggestion by people that this only happens at Celtic, or that the Irish lads who were there were ‘wronged’ and are doing much better now, is simply not factual. 


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Needs to get well out of there...
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Originally posted by Howdo Howdo wrote:

Word is they're offering him a new contract, and also trying to develop him as a striker, interesting of true

https://www.67hailhail.com/transfers/celtic-kick-out-two-late-english-transfer-offers-new-plan-and-position-for-academy-talent/

A waste of his talents. 

He could maybe play as a second striker in a 3-5-2 system like the one that Inter use.
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Word is they're offering him a new contract, and also trying to develop him as a striker, interesting of true

https://www.67hailhail.com/transfers/celtic-kick-out-two-late-english-transfer-offers-new-plan-and-position-for-academy-talent/


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Originally posted by Banana_RepublicFC Banana_RepublicFC wrote:

Celtic bringing through players who are good enough to start games regularly has been a problem for about a decade or so.

Forrest, McGregor and Tierney are the three standouts from the past 10 odd tears.

Ralston has barely played bar one season.

And Forrest is 32 now. McGregor is 30. Tierney was their once in a decade Evan Ferguson/Nathan Collins equivalent - a player who would have made it regardless of what club he went to. And they ruined him by repeatedly playing him when he wasn't fully fit. Some record they have alright.


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