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    Posted: 12 May 2023 at 8:43pm
Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

I don't know is the answer and I would have assumed he would have been snapped up when Derby went down, but are we all looking at him with green tinted glasses? 

He has a lot of good attributes, so with Derby exercising the contact extension it looks like he will be a Derby player for another year.


I'd assume they are just looking to maximise their return by doing this.
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I don't know is the answer and I would have assumed he would have been snapped up when Derby went down, but are we all looking at him with green tinted glasses? 

He has a lot of good attributes, so with Derby exercising the contact extension it looks like he will be a Derby player for another year.
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by KING-CON KING-CON wrote:

He’s always performed well for us but he’s never really been linked with many clubs. Some talk of Burnley last year but it was all from unreliable Irish media sources. Are we guilty of overrating him and his level is really League 1? 

Considering he's been performing well in the Championship since he was 18, and captained the team by the time he was 19, I'm not sure how the conclusion could be that his level is League 1.

Why do you think no Championship club has not come in for him?

He was linked with Leeds and some Serie A clubs according to some folks here.

How do you know no club has come in for him? Does every approach lead to a completed deal?

Knight is so clearly at the least Championship standard, he'd never even have been playing in L1 if it weren't for a point deduction for his club. The tendency to completely revise opinions on a player just because their club isn't going well, despite all the evidence we have from actually watching them, is quite bewildering.


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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Good stuff. It does seem a little weird. More clubs should be doing the same if you ask me.

Most clubs do exactly that Horsey! You on the wind up?
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Good stuff. It does seem a little weird. More clubs should be doing the same if you ask me.
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That's not how it works. Knight signed a 3.5 year contract in January 2020. Included in the contract was an option for an additional year, with the option being in Derby's favour. In other words, Derby could choose whether or not to take the option - which would turn it into a 4.5 year deal. Knight has no say in this now as he signed up to it back in 2020. At that time he was only 18 and Derby were a top half Championship team. So it would have seemed like a good deal with a big club at the time.

Now they've triggered it and he probably wishes he hadn't signed a deal with the option in it (if there was no option, Derby would have sold him last summer). But Derby always knew the option was there, which was why there chose to keep him when others went, knowing that if they weren't promoted they'd still get a fee for him.

Knight has been unlucky to be honest. He signed a long term deal just before the club started to become a basket case. He's also probably not on a wage that matches his value as he's still on a contract he signed at 18. But hopefully he'll at least be able to get out of there before the summer transfer window closes.


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Originally posted by SeaSharp SeaSharp wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

He signed a contract extension, why would he do that if he's looking for a move.
I believe it was Derby's choice to a trigger a 12 month extension clause in his contract

But would he not have to agree to that? I mean, hypothetically speaking, if he just wanted to see out his the remaining months\year of his control - he should be able to do so. Otherwise clubs could keep hold of their players forever!
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It's only May, the English domestic season hasn't even finished. I'm sure there'll be interest from a number of Championship clubs before next season starts. I'd be very surprised if he's still at Derby next season.
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

He signed a contract extension, why would he do that if he's looking for a move.
I believe it was Derby's choice to a trigger a 12 month extension clause in his contract
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He signed a contract extension, why would he do that if he's looking for a move.
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I don't think any Championship club was going to be spending the money on him that Derby have been looking for up to now. That changes now that he's down to the last 12 months of his contract. I suspect he will get a Championship move and will look the part again once he gets back there and is given a settled role in a decent team. 

I have always thought his eventual ceiling would be higher than that, but the last two years haven't helped his development at all. Still plenty of time obviously, and the higher level player he most reminds me of - John McGinn - only played in the SPL and Scottish Championship up until he was almost 24. But Knight has been messed about a lot by Derby and does now have ground to make up.
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Originally posted by JoxerDaly JoxerDaly wrote:

His performance against France would tell anyone with any idea about football that he is much better than league 1 level .


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Originally posted by KING-CON KING-CON wrote:

He’s always performed well for us but he’s never really been linked with many clubs. Some talk of Burnley last year but it was all from unreliable Irish media sources. Are we guilty of overrating him and his level is really League 1? 

Considering he's been performing well in the Championship since he was 18, and captained the team by the time he was 19, I'm not sure how the conclusion could be that his level is League 1.

Why do you think no Championship club has not come in for him?

He was linked with Leeds and some Serie A clubs according to some folks here.
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Originally posted by JoxerDaly JoxerDaly wrote:

His performance against France would tell anyone with any idea about football that he is much better than league 1 level .


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Originally posted by KING-CON KING-CON wrote:

He’s always performed well for us but he’s never really been linked with many clubs. Some talk of Burnley last year but it was all from unreliable Irish media sources. Are we guilty of overrating him and his level is really League 1? 

Considering he's been performing well in the Championship since he was 18, and captained the team by the time he was 19, I'm not sure how the conclusion could be that his level is League 1.
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He’s always performed well for us but he’s never really been linked with many clubs. Some talk of Burnley last year but it was all from unreliable Irish media sources. Are we guilty of overrating him and his level is really League 1? 
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Originally posted by darman28 darman28 wrote:

Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Any one thinking Knight won't or doesn't deserve to make the next squad is out of their mind.
Depends on what you want to base it on.
Basing it on his season in League One you could argue no. But base it on his recent performances for Ireland then yes he still deserves to be the squad IMHO.

I think knight will start with Molumby and Cullen in midfield against Greece if they are 100% fit and available.

I'd agree he's safe in the short term and his Irish performances have largely been good, but another season in League One will justifiably raise question marks.
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